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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. MadMax

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    ummm...i was right, TJ. i thought i remembered reading that here, and apparently i did. according to Major..i was right. if you guessed othewise...you were WRONG.

    why do you only show up here when the 'stros lose, TJ?
     
  2. Puedlfor

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    We've always sucked in Pac Bell, for whatever reason. C'est la vie.
     
  3. MadMax

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    we sucked at Candlestick as well. or at least it seemed that way.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Major said the Astros led the league in 'offense' through July 26th. How is this the same as leading the league in runs in the month of July?

    Either way, the Astros are 15th in runs scored since the all-star break. That is the meaningful statistic, not yours. Looking at their July schedule before July 26, you can see that the runs are inflated because they destroyed the Pirates and Reds by scoring a ton of runs. The other games were pedestrian, including the sweep by the Cardinals in which the Astros scored 5 runs in 3 games.
     
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  5. Bobblehead

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    Jeez.....this games was very much like the games in May,
    Decent pitching by the starters and ZERO run support.
    And bad fielding is killing them....BIGGIO!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. MadMax

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    whatever, TJ...it counters the point that they've been "hitting like crap for quite some time." depending of course on how short or long you wish to define "quite some time."
     
  7. Puedlfor

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    We're 6th in the NL in runs scored post-All Star game. Could be better, could be worse.
     
  8. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Missed the game. Was watching Andy Roddick beat up some Thai guy in two sets. Hot as hell out there too. Too bad we lost. But We had a great road trip regardless.
     
  9. Major

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    Did TJ really include teams in the AL (which have an extra hitter, essentially) to make his argument?
     
  10. Major

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    The first time I posted it - in the thread that MadMax referring to - I pointed out that it was runs scored.
     
  11. don grahamleone

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    Are you back?
     
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Look, MadMax's misrepresentation aside, this team needs more offense. When you cherry-pick the Astros' hot streak since the All-Star break and they are still 15th in the league in runs scored, then folks, that's just not going to cut it. When they revert back to their normal level, which appears to be happening, the production won't be there. It just won't. Would have been nice to have gone out and gotten a bat, but you know, that costs money. Sorry fans. Tillman, once you finish your gambling foray in Vegas, how about a little sports investment?
     
  13. rikesh316

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    Fernando Nieve threw another complete game shutout for the Express yesterday. Thank god Moyer rejected that trade.
     
  14. Major

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    Nope, I'm just a figment of your imagination.
     
  15. Major

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    What is their normal level?

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3299560

    <I>Watching them the last few days, it's hard to remember that for about a two-month stretch, the Astros scored more runs than any other NL team.</I>

    The season has been about 4 months. According to that article, they had the best offense in the league for about two months (June and July, more or less), and we know that in the first two months, they had one of the worst offenses in the league.

    As for cherry-picking the Astros' hot streak, it was you who started by picking the ASB and deciding the Astros were 15th in the MLB (ignoring the fact that this correlates to 6th in the NL). Even during your own time frame measure which you used to argue that they were terrible, they were well above average in the league.

    They are a slump - these things happen. 4 games don't decide whether or not we need a bat.
     
  16. Nick

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    I'm glad we're playing the Giants now in August, rather than the end of September. There's something about that team that just inspires the worst in us (as opposed to the rest of the league... since the Giants have an awful home record this year).

    Good to see Burke with the extra pop in his bat (this time at the top of the lineup), but we still should have gotten a crooked #. I was also pretty happy that Biggio is getting a day off... Viz has been the odd man out in our hot streak, and he's a pretty important bat to have off the bench (essentially, he and Palmeiro have flip-flopped this year in terms of best overall pinch-hitter).

    The only saving grace of this somewhat dissapointing road-trip is that all our "competitors" were pretty bad as well... Washington got swept, Phillies lost today, Florida lost yesterday, and the Cubs-Mets are playing each other. We still lost ground on a couple of teams (Florida/Phillies), but nobody in the NL seems to be playing all that well right now (which bodes well for all the NL East teams knocking each other out of the race).
     
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  17. Surfguy

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    Apparently, we did pick a really bad time to have a series against San Fran after the "controversy". Now, they decided to take the sh*t out on us as innocent by-standers. LOL

    But, we always suck at San Francisco. I certainly don't get it. It just is.
     
  18. liamrock

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    Wow....I can certainly understand Jason Schmidt and Noah Lowry...but Brian Cooper? The guy has not won a MLB game since 2000! This team sucks....I mean, who are we kidding? The Giants are the WORST team in ALL of MLB at home and they are on their way to sweeping Pettite/Oswalt/Clemens. Come up with whatever excuse you want (ie Stros always struggle in SF/every team goes through slumps/not our weekend) but the Astros are a TERRIBLE offensive team. My god, I can understand struggling v the Cards pitchers....but the GIANTS?! I am a diehard, but I'm dumfounded as to how a team could suck so bad hitting the ball and how their mangement could be so naive as to think the hot streak wouldn't end and they wouldn't need to possibly pay a premium price for a veteran hitter. I mean, Matt Lawton looks pretty darn good right about now!
     
  19. Major

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    Absolutely. Since the trade, he's batting .238 with no power. He would have singlehandedly revived our offense!
     
  20. liamrock

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    What about Randy Winn? WHat are his stats thus far? He certainly has shown something in this series.
     

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