Scoring is not the problem in Houston. Bringing in Jamison would make no sense at all. Why on earth would we trade for a 34 year old who solves none of our needs? Oh and Jamison coming off the bench in Cleveland was a failed experiment earlier this year.
Getting Jamison isn't about making the Rockets good enough to be in the playoffs. Its the fact that he will be a major future asset, with possible views towards 2012 free agency. He can mentor the young guys like Patterson as well. Either we use Yao Ming as trade chip, or we completely waste it. People are calling for Samuel Dalembert and Dalembert isn't a difference maker either. Jamison is not a star player anymore, we all know that. But what he is is a major expiring contract next year, and us actually doing something with our trade chips. Is Andre Iguodala/Tayshaun Prince going to take us to the playoffs? Nope. Jamison is way over the hill. My personal opinion on this is that he'll be a fresh face for the Rockets and its fans. This current squad is going nowhere either. Would you just prefer Yao Ming's contract just quietly expire?
I truly do not want to see Varejao in a Rocket jersey, ever. I don't want any player with a last name that starts with V. Vujacic, Varejao, Villanueva...
Do you know what our bench lacks? Scoring! Please don't say Aaron Brooks because he is super inconsistent. Our bench is loaded with good defensive players. Add Jamison/Scola to that mix.
1. jamison is not a strong asset. nobody is jumping head over heels to try and get jamison. 2. i wouldn't want no defense soft jump shooting jamison mentoring patterson 3. i would rather the team to rebuild through the draft and just play the younger guys and work with that if we are not a contending team no use sneaking into the playoffs just to get bounced out of the first round. 34 year jamison gives us NOTHING for the future.
did you watch jamison when he came off the bench earler in the year? i bet you didn't because if you did you wouldn't think he would help our bench scoring because he was putting up as much bricks as anybody we have out there right now. stats are inflated because he plays on a terrible team and gets a lot of his points in blowout losses.
just look at how much of a wonderful position cleveland is in getting the top pick in the draft...dont deny it..wouldnt u like to be locked in for a top 3 pick rather than hunting for that awesome 14th pick. jamison will put up the stats and make us lose. win win
jamison will be FUTURE asset. Was Jermaine O'Neal an asset in Toronto with his 23 million dollar salary? No. Yet Miami traded for him and got a first round pick while at the same time solving their needs. jamison is not an asset NOW, but NEXT YEAR, he will be an asset. also jamison will not bring us into the playoffs. neither will iguodala, granger, dalembert, etc etc. we need more than 1 star to make it to the playoffs and thats not gonna happen. jamison will score 20+ per game and we'll lose the game. I'm happy about that because us fans get to see a lot of scoring while we rack up the lottery balls. if you want to rebuild through the draft jamison will get you in a better position than scola. if we got anyone better than jamison as a player, he'll put us into the 8th seed, along with us sinking deep into financial troubles with his long contract (granger, iguodala etc..) we all want blake griffin..but we wont get him. so jamison is the FIT, even though not the best PLAYER.
I'm tired of getting "future" assets. It's time to get real players that can actually help this team.
So, Jamison will intentionally make this team worse. And that's a good thing. ..... How about Scola for Cook then? I mean, his salary expires in 2012 as well. You can go for it, and gamble on some stupid 2012 dream, even though HOUSTON IS NOT NEW YORK CITY OR MIAMI. I don't know why I don't ignore rookies like you.
not even close to the same situation. you're reaching now. you're crazy in your head if you think iggy or granger wont get us in the playoffs. even then they are stronger assets than jamison. flawed logic is flawed because the rockets still have acceptable talent to hover around .500 which keeps us as a mediocre team. mediocre record = medicore draft picks
how old is mcdyess? he's still serviceable. i dont think age would be an issue with jamison...... we just dont have a spot for him.
why the hate man? please dont hate just because someone else has a difference opinion than you do. if everyone agreed then a bbs like CF would be much useless. back to topic in response to your post: ok sure, even your "scola for cook" idea is on the extreme side of things, I would approve of something along that notion, but instead more like scola for cook + aminu + minnesota's 1st round pick. our team is mediocre and say we got carmelo (best case scenario here), we still won't make it past the lakers or the spurs in the first round. free agency miami styles working out or not, its worth a gamble. because ok, say we strike out like new jersey did, they still ended up with derrick favors. some posters are suggesting martin + scola for favors/lopez/etc etc, well isn't that the same as trading those guys away and then getting the favors's and lopez's after cleaning house? so basically, say we trade for carmelo/granger/al jefferson, right? everyones happy? we are still not going anywhere. with scola and martin we can't get a good pick either. so..
To all of you saying no, Jamison is playing better than Hill, Jeffries, Patterson and Miller. BTW, Hayes is not a center either, but he plays one on t.v.. :grin:
In the broad spectrum of NBA situations, (elites(spurs), rebuilders,(kings) fringe (grizzlies)), that situation is close enough. Miami in the beginning of 2009, had Wade and Beasley and Marion. Who do we have? Martin and Scola and Battier. They were a low seed playoff team in the East. That's probably what we would be if we were in the East. (I'm just comparing team strengths here). Were they going to win anything with Wade + Beasley + Marion? No. We aren't going win anything with this group either. So, with that said, the Rockets need a legit Center really bad if they want to go anywhere past the first round. Our best big man is Scola compared to Duncan, Aldridge, Gasol, Jefferson, Nowitzki, West. Big men win playoff games. Who's after Scola? Miller? Nope. Hayes? Nope. So we need to get a center right? Who's available. Dalembert? Kaman? Who else? I really can't think of anyone else. Good big men are rarer than Adelman's hair in this league at the moment. Every contender almost always has a legit big man apart from perhaps the OKC Thunder. And the reason they are actually contenders is because of those big men are leading them there. Are any of them going to let the Horfords, Garnetts, Millsaps go? No way. So there, our title hopes are near 0. Back to the Miami comparison. Their best big man back then was Udonis Haslem. We can easily say he's a blue collar player like Scola. They had no title hopes, and yet they went for O'Neal. Why? You tell me. O'Neal didn't make them any better. Getting into the playoffs, sure. But are you satisfied with just getting into the playoffs? yes indeed. thats why we need to get rid of the vets like Battier, Scola. Getting Jamison won't affect any of those things. The point of getting Jamison is: 1: Get a bit of star power. Jamison is not as good as before, but he's a former all-star. You know the Headline rule. fans love big names. I do. ALOT. The headline rule wouldn't exist if fans didn't. 2: Who can we trade Yao Ming for? Nothing? Yep, our resident genius Bimathug wrote an entire article on it saying Nothing might be the best option. Now that's saying SOMETHING. There isn't really that much Yao Ming can be used to trade for and you might as well get something back. We are seeing exception after exception expire and we all know this yao ming and trevor ariza exception is just going to expire like every other exception we've had. 3: This team really needs change. Get jamison, get rid of scola/battier/miller/brooks/lowry smith martin williams jamison hill that team will get slaughtered in the west, while scoring 100+ points. win-win.
............................... I hate idiots. I disagree with leeb and Hillboy on a whole lot, but I respect them. This is different. 1. Who gives a crap that Jamison is a former all-star? So are Franchise and AI. And fans aren't coming to watch freaking Antawn Jamison, a soft big man who's done jack throughout his entire career. 2. It is possible to get negative value back. This ties into point three, but you don't make trades just for the sake of making trades. We could easily trade Yao for Rip tomorrow, or for Arenas ( both of whom are also former all-stars). But they won't make the team better, and will make it a whole lot worse. You can always go here if that's what you want You basically want us to be the Cavaliers or Clippers. I want us to be the Lakers. That's what it comes down to. As one of the main options getting big minutes on a team that could very well set a record for pathetic shortly.
