abortion

I think it should be legal. But I don't believe it should be publicly funded. I would put a very heavy excise tax on it. Any abortion done outside of an approved physcian would be considered a crime.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have an abortion, but I would want you to pay out of the ass for it.

Edit
Goverment also puts a price floor on the amount the hospital would charge.
As you can tell, I'm doing my best to jack up the price.

 

Nope, there is no other individual at the time of the abortion, just a fetus.

DD

 

I like the movie, the story and the way it was directed except that last part.. the ending was a little predictable but the message of the movie is strong.

 

So at what point do you not consider it a fetus? Actual birth, 1 day before, 1 month before, 2 months before...?

 

By definition, a fetus is a fetus until birth. That's not debatable. What DD is saying is that a fetus isn't an individual.

 

I'm with RR on this.. I'm against abortion and I thank the lord for making me think this way because my beautiful baby girl is everything I could wish for and more even though my wife and I had her in our late teens... ( Many many years back )

People for abortion are scared of the responsiblity... I don't blame them for being scared, its tough real tough..If you think you can't handle having a child there are people out there willing to adopt that can't have kids anymore becuase of some medical issues.

 

I am trying to discern if he supports a woman's right to choose abortion 8 months and 3 weeks into her preganancy, since he considers it an individual choice.

While the fetus is not, by definition, an individual, a woman's decision to abort, certainly impacts it, especially when the fetus can viably survive outside the womb.

 

Americans really are not into 'Responsibility'

Rocket River

 

So if a woman gets pregnant through a rape, by no choice of her own she should be made to have the child? So if a woman get pregnant from an incestous affair she should be made to have the child?

 

good one

jo mama

 

Many have abortions because they can't afford to support a child. This idea would just force women who can't afford abortions to seek illegal means of aborting.

 

Gee you are right. Nobody who disagrees with you could posibly actually believe that what they believe is right. They are all just simpering cowards and are just waiting for you to lead them to a new world of moral responsibility and unpstandingishness.

(in case you didn't figure it out: )

People can disagree with you without it being a character flaw.

 

OK, if abortion was suddenly outlawed and all of these children that people do not want were suddenly put upon this world I suppose pro-lifers would say put the children up for adoption. Aren't there already half a million, a million children that need to be adopted?

 

In my opinion, yes. As an adoption advocate, I know people who were born to rape victims that because of the decision to have the child they have beautiful lives. I understand why most pro-lifers add those caveats to their stance, but I don't agree with them. One horrible act does not merit another.

 

There are waiting lists to adopt any infant that is put up for adoption in this country. The children that have trouble being adopted are older, orphans or those taken from unfit parents.

 

It really comes down to if you believe there is a human life inside that mother. If you do --there is not justification for killing it. If you don't --- who cares?

 

I think abortion is one of the worst moral sins one can commit.

However, I don't believe the federal government has any business regulating it. Individual states should be able to outlaw/permit abortions as they wish.

Both sides venture too much towards hyperbole when discussing this.

No, pro-lifers, legal abortion doesn't mean that all babies are killed.

No, pro-choicers, outlawing abortion in certain states would not cause a huge increase in backalley abortions and won't lead to a dramatic rise in deaths of mothers.

I believe abortion is being used in situations when it should not. It shouldn't be a substitute for contraception. If you are adult enough to make the decision to have sex, you should be adult enough to deal with the consequences without putting an end to the future life of a (some say potential) human. I don't believe that the federal government should have dominion in this matter, though. If one state wants to allow it, I can't object, odious and deplorable though it may be.

EDIT: Before any of you claim otherwise, I've been through this situation with friends who have made both decisions. The ones who have decided to have an abortion almost always later regret it. Those who have had the baby haven't always had the easiest life but I find they are much more happy with their decision.

 

1. I don't understand why anyone would think that the federal government has no say in the matter but it's okay for the state to have a say. Actually they should both have a say in protecting innocent lives.

2. I'm really sorry that people can justify the taking of a life because of the way they choose to define human life-- for this purpose alone!!!!!!!!!

3. When do the rest of us get to choose who we want to kill without impunity?

4. Abortion on demand is just about the most selfish thing imaginable. Yeah, I'd say it's a character flaw when you'd rather recklessly take another life under the protection of your definition of life than to leave that life alone to grow, to emerge and to flourish. If you don't want the child, make somebody else's fondest wish come true by placing the child into a loving, adoptive family's arms. You could br proud of yourself rather than ashamed and haunted by your actions. Sorry but I really don't like to sugarcoat this issue.

 

Again you never fail to presume too much.

Tell me exactly what degrees or doctorates you have that would make you an expert on human life and neurodevelopment?

Perhaps while you are at it you can tell me exactly when I supposedly decided to change my definition of life out of fear so that I could have an abortion alone?

Stop telling me why my opinions are reflective of some sort of flaw when you have no idea who I am and why I think what I think. Believe me I can come up with some equally BS reasons why you fear abortions. I personally apparently care more about what is real, however, than you appear to.

You are suffering from a vanity bordering on psychotic narcissism if you think that you can speak authoritatively on subjects such as the start of life on the basis of a feeling and in contradiction to others have spent their entire lives working on an issue.

Your rants here are about as relevant as those of an island witch doctor
jumping up and down and yelling at a volcanologist that he has to sacrifice a goat to prevent the volcano gods from becoming mad.