Well, I looked at the rules and a trade thread after a loss out of anger or something is frownd upon, but this is a purely what if fantasy thing. I've stated several times in other posts that I'm pefrectly fine with letting the team gel. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought I post like this was allowed. However I do know that personal insults aren't allowed. Hey I've been following this team for a long time too, since the clutchcity.COM days (before the split up). After seeing so many dumb SF for Derek Fisher type of threads, you think a trade that help us clear cap, land us 4 promising young players to compliment our back wouldn't be bashed to bits like this, even if it cost us a potentially very very good player. Oh well, live and learn. FD, refrain from those "fighting words" and check out some of my other posts. I've defended our guards, defended Mo, spoke most of the time positively about the Rox for most the past two years. So before you question my loyalty and start talk crap about me, find out what kind of poster I am, and freaking read my post before you respond. For those that feel this is trully a bad trade, I apologize, I did out of partially boredom, partially out of frustration of what this site has become, and partially that I still don't think it's a bad trade. If you guys don't like it, please just let it die. If you feel you must respond, don't go with smart alec ones like but rather post something substantive, make a argument. I welcome healthy discussion/debate, but it's kind of hard to respond when you're presented with actual argument.
Can we create a forum where people can make stupid trade proposals, and those stupid trade proposals can just stay in that forum, alone, out of harms away, to rot away into oblivion? Because stupid trade scenerios like these are really getting to become annoying.
hey on paper this trade looks good, we trade trouble players and get real NBA players back in return. sure we lose Yao but it's basically Yao for five players. The problem is... how is the ball movement and chemistry gonna improve with the resulting team?? i say it gets worse.
I'm not going to flame the proposal; I admit I have a fun playing sometimes on RealGM, playing fantasy gm. I would just point out there is a lot more that goes into a trade than just talent evaluations. The main problem with the blockbuster trade proposals, even if they are balanced talentwise, is they have no chance of coming into fruition, based upon the marketing efforts the teams place on their superstars. We are wearing the Chinese National Uniforms because we are marketing Yao; would we trade these as well? I bet there are a lot of Melo billboards in Denver (I take that back - they don't have billboards there - but you get the point). Superstars usually only get traded when they screw up, won't agree to a contract, or demand to be traded.
If you consider CAP benefits and talent, it's quite even. However, once you factor in how much attention Yao brings the Rockets, PR, the alrady troubling home attendance, and JVG's choosing this job ONLY because of Yao, as well as the lack of roster spots to recieve so many players...THEN, it starts looking kinda bad. Yao Ming won't be traded for anyone less than a big man, younger than 29, a SUPERSTAR, close to being the best big man in the league, and who's talent makes up for Yao's marketability. Basically, Yao will be a Rocket unless the Spurs offer Tim Duncan.
Seriously, this trade Yao for garbage is starting to annoy me and I'm important (in my on mind) Yao will NOT BE TRADED..... So there should be no more trade ideas for Yao unless his name ends in Garrnet or Duncan and that ain't happening! Stop it!
yipengzhao, Sane and JoeBarelyCares: thanks for taking time and looking at the trade objectively. I agree, while the trade looks good on paper, it probably wouldn't play out to be the best as it disrupts chemistry and give up one of our corner stones. Also, blockbuster trades are kind of hard to get through, but hey, who saw the Barkley trade coming? DonnyMost and leroy420: Thanks once again for your smart alec answers, it's really people like you that actually keeps stupid trade threads alive. I get annoyed at a lot of them too, mostly because they are not even fair "on paper" and a lot of times just throw up a trade with out any analysis behind it at all. I made sure I didn't do that. Besides the reasons I posted in the thread starter for the trade, what I REALLY wanted was to foster some sort of thinking on this board of two things: 1. How valuable Yao really is right now. Judging by the response I'm getting people seem to like him a lot. So while he still have his flaws, I agree with Rudy when he drafted him that he's technically still a 3 year project, he got here a little ahead of schedule but we really shouldn't be overly critical or have un realistic goals of how he plays. 2. This really hasn't happened since no one is analysing the result of the trade for the nuggets, but I wanted people to think how well Yao can carry a team even with a good supporting star by himself. If a trade like this does go through, the Nuggets will definitely be Yao's team, but I don't think he can carry a team just it. Mixed with fatigue and lack of a drive to dominate, he just isn't there yet. Once a again, he's technically still a 3 year project, he got here a little ahead of schedule so don't treat him like the messiah and crucify our guards after every game (sounds ironic doesn't it). Realise that the Rox is a good situation for him since he does have Mobes and Steve to take the pressure of him, if he was in New York or Chicago, he'd be mauled by the press so badly after his first couple of games that he didn't do well in his rookie season that mentally he might never be able to get the support to play as well as he has after that.
Right now we are the following mix, we could use a little Denver. Draft (29%) LAClipper (14%) Portland (8%) Pheonix (7%) Memphis (7%) Free (7%) Atlanta (4.2%) Dallas (4.2%) Boston (4.0%) Minnesota (4.0%) Cleveland (3.1%) Jazz (2.3%) Orlando (2.3%) NJ (1.0%) Philladelphia (1.0%) GState (1.0%) Miami (1.0%)
The trade looks horrible on paper, and is a bad trade for both teams. The Nuggets will basically gut their team for a player who may or may not ever become a dominant force. Yao's future dominance as a C is not a given, although the future looks bright. Furthermore, after the trade, what would Denver have left to surround Yao??? Andre Miller (poor shooter) and Marcus Camby (oft injured)??? Denver would basically be rebuilding all over again and would have to depend on FAs and draft picks to build their team depth back up. From the Rockets standpoint, it would be unwise to give up on a potentially dominant center who is still learning the ropes fo the league. Rodney White is not an upgrade over Jackson or Boki. Skita is looking like a lottery bust and is barely playing. Barry is not an upgrade over Pike and definitely not an upgrade over Mobley. Anthony and Nene are nice, but Id rather wait and develop a potentially dominant center. Plus, I cant see Anthony getting anymore shots than Yao is getting. Someting he needs to justify the trade. Trade, overall, basically puts both franchises back to Square 1 in terms of chemistry. Both teams seem happy with their core of young players. What reason would they have to make such a fantasy trade??
Haha why do this trade, just go watch the Denver game on TV its good enuff. Were gettin their intier team for crying out loud! & Anthony is a damn ball hog he shots a **** load of shots isnt he in the top 5 for most shots attempted?
This has to be the worst trade ever proposed on here. Yao and Mo T for Melo and 5 bench players. This sucks! We would have Steve Cat and Melo jacking up shots with no center. Yao is not going anywhere and in a year or two should average about 24 points and 12 boards. Why dont we just offer Mooch and Amechi for Garnett so we could have a legit PF? That would be something.
