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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by xiki, Sep 5, 2004.

  1. Willis25

    Willis25 Member

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    xiki - I want you to be in my fantasy basketball league next year - you seem like that GM that knows his/her stuff and makes some great deals throughout the season, but just keeps chasing the next great deal and ends up trading away a superstar for garbage

    I will admit that I am not a fan of Deke, Lue, or Ward - but the Rockets could NOT be any more balanced than they are right now... if PT is a problem - then let Mo T, Spoon and Howard fight for it. JVG should say "show me you deserve PT and you will get PT"

    Forget the players for a minute and look at the postition listing and tell me that you think they HAVE to make another deal - with this breakdown

    PG
    PG
    PG/SG
    SG/SF
    SF/SG
    SF
    SF/PF/C
    PF
    PF
    PF/C (small line up)
    C
    C

    there is a pattern if you look closely. The more shallow positions are SG and C - which also happen to be the ones occupied by our 2 all stars... yes, I realize that there is no depth if Yao or T-mac goes down (but if one of them goes down - this team will be in trouble regardless of how many backups we have)
     
  2. Sane

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    I really don't think he's better than Mo, and I really don't think he's 2M better than Mo.

    Aside from that, his contract is longer and he's coming off a recent major injury.

    Oh, and he would be unmoveable in the next few years, unlike Mo who will be moveable in 2 years.

    Oh, and Mo knows our team and knows his role, Lafrentz would complain about his minutes.
     
  3. Yaomania345

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    I dont want that overpaid underacheving bum on our team. Deke is fine. Get rid of one of our PF's and a PG and we will be set. Unless JVG likes 4 PF's on the team at once i think at least a minor deal will go down.
     
  4. Jeff

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    Of cours quickness is an asset. It's called a mismatch. If you play center and are quicker than your opponent, you have a distinct advantage on the offensive end. Also, if you can hit the 18-foot jumper (as both Howard and Taylor can), you'll draw your defender away from the basket creating more space.

    Height and strength are assets if you are going to play 35+ minutes per game as a starter. No one is expecting Calvin Booth or Jake Tsakalidis or Steven Hunter or Chris Anderson to hold the low post or protect the paint. Their job, as backups, is to play solid helping defense, give up fouls when necessary, rebound and, in the case of our forwards, provide an offensive spark.

    And, in case you had forgotten, Taylor played some center last year. So did Howard in Orlando. You can't just plug one formula into each position and say, "That's how it is supposed to be." It is about matchups.
     
  5. bejezuz

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    That's funny. I was thinking the same thing when I read this thread. Not specifically about xiki, but about our posters in general.

    Everybody here thinks they can turn the Rockets into a badass fantasy team. There's a reason there aren't 30 someodd teams in a fantasy league, because THEN IT WOULDN'T BE FANTASY.

    Talent is scarce. The CBA and salary caps make it harder to hoard talent. We're not going to have a star at every spot, nor are we going to be three deep at every spot with starters backing up other starters.

    I think the team is perfect. Yao or Deke are out for a few days, you sign Pig Miller to a 10 day contract. Big freaking deal. TMac is out for a few days, then you either start Sura or you move JJ over and start Boki. If either Yao or TMac are out for more than a little while, we're screwed! Plain and simple. That's the NBA.
     
  6. gucci888

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    Exactly. Raef is more expensive w/ 4 years left and is coming off a major injury, which he only played 17 games last season. I know stats don't show everything, but they also don't lie:

    Raef:
    17 Games
    7.8ppg
    4.6rpg
    46% FG

    MoT:
    75 Games
    11.5ppg
    5rpg
    47%FG

    MoT is cheaper and if you thought MoT is untradable, just look at Raef. If needed, MoT could be moved much, much easier than Raef.
     
  7. xiki

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    Sign me up, let's 'play'...x...
     
  8. xiki

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    I'm game, let's play Fantasy Hoops...x...
     
  9. Willis25

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    if you are serious, I will let you know when the leagues are forming... does Clutch have ESPN leagues specifically for BBS members ?
     
  10. gucci888

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    Does it cost money to play "Fantasy games?"
     
  11. xiki

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    Sure, I am serious...want a good league, competitive (and communicative) players (traders, too -- why not -- it's a fantasy league!).
     
  12. crazyguypete

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    I think padgett being signed means the Rockets are going to make one last trade after getting mutombo. I think our teams two biggest (and only) weaknesses are point guard and power forward. JVG loves ward but ward did nothing for S.A. last year. In any case its a safe bet ward is gonna be our starting guard (for now). I think in terms of power forwards, there is gonna be one more trade. I think JVG liked Cato starting along Yao and our team had excellent defense. Everyone knows that once Cato went down last year our defense shot way down as well. In a power forward packed Western Conference you need a good defensive oriented player at that position. Thus i think after mutombo we are gonna go after a defensive minded power forward. Obviously I'm not completely sold on howards defense. Then again maybe JVG will play Yao and Mutombo together for stretches. But come on four pfs????:confused:
     
  13. gucci888

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    The Rockets might have signed Padgett just because he a decent player. Even though he didn't play that much, he was able to do some good things when he did.

    Also, Padgett can come in and play both PF or SF in case something happens. He is a decent rebounder and can stretch out the defense with his shooting. I look at Padgett as an all-around guy, if an injury happens or if Nachbar doesn't pan out well, Padgett can step right in.
     
  14. crazyguypete

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    I agree with you entirely gucci. I loved padgetts play. He doesn't have necessarily the athletism of many players in the nba but he hustles hard and has decent skills. Last year though padgett played mostly at the four position making me think he'll be doing much the same next year. And i get what you mean by keeping him around in case someone gets injured but my question is then why was he signed to such a long deal (five years i believe) and as i see it weatherspoon (who looks like pooh bear in my opinion) would be our third string pf with padgett our fourth.

    My opinion is that it just doesn't add up right...:confused:
     
  15. gucci888

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    Can anyone confirm this? I remember someone posting it, but I think he was just joking. Does anyone have any details on Padgetts contract, that might be able to tell us a lot on what if we are making any more moves.
     
  16. m_cable

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    I can tell you one thing. Since the Rox are over the cap, have used most of their MLE on Sura/Ward, and have only had Padge for one season previous, the most that we can pay him is the $1.6 million exception. But more likely he is making the minimum, because that's what he got last year and it was about what he was worth for his production.
     
  17. paxil

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    I agree to your logic there is not many offensive minded center in the west except a few corrections:

    Starting center for Utah will be Okur instead of Boozer, Boozer will be the starting power forward.

    Starting center for the Laker will be Vlade instead of Mihm.

    The only offensive minded center in the west will be Miller and Okur and maybe Magloire. These three might bring some problem to Taylor or Juan.
     
  18. paxil

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    I wish the Rockets use the money spent on Sura and Ward to pursue Carlos Arroy. He only signed for 4 million a year and Rockets surely can offer him 5.5 - 6 a year and Jazz might not match.

    Think of this starting five
    Yao
    Howard
    Jackson
    McGrady
    Arroy
     
  19. SwoLy-D

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    Oh, man, that's easy... of course it is

    <H1>16</H1>I can't believe you had to start a thread for this... ;)
     
  20. M&M

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    I believe that 4X4=someone is getting cut.
     

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