Alright here's the deal... #32 pick (only if absolutely necessary) Stromile Swift for #23 pick Clifford Robinson Scott Padgett We do it to move up in the draft, to cut Stromile loose, and to get a couple of smart veterans who can shoot. The Nets do it because they have next to nothing at PF and Swift has lots of potential in the Nets system...at least enough for them to part with Padgett (who never got off the bench) and Robinson (who is a nice player, but clearly not the answer for them). All in all I think it's rather helpful to both teams. Now I know some people are already cringing. Uncle Cliff is already 39. Padgett is...well...Padgett. Stay with me though, because there's plenty to like about this... Cliff may be old, but he's one hell of a solid veteran. He started 82 games for the Warriors in 03-04 while putting up roughly 12ppg 4rpg 3apg 1spg and 1bpg, so he's obviously not a dead man walking. He's also a career 36% shooter from beyond the arc, something that JVG would kill for out of a backup PF. He's always been a good defender, and at 6-10 he can play both the PF and C positions when needed. He is NOT injury prone, even in the twilight of his career (since 99-00 he's had two seasons with 71 games played, and all others 80+). He's in the last year of his contract, so he's as low of financial risk as you'll find. If he doesn't do well, he comes off the books. If we want him to stick around, he gets the veteran minimum for another year or two. Regardless of what some people on this board might say, Scott Padgett did what he was asked to do when he played here. Tracy loved running the pick and roll with this guy. He shot 41% from beyond the arc in very limited action, which is not easy to do if you know how important rhythm is to the game of basketball. On top of that he played hard and was never any sort of problem on or off the court. Per minute he's not too shabby of a rebounder either. Like Robinson, Padgett is in the last year of his contract and would represent the smallest of financial burdens. For the money, and for what this team needs in a backup SF (shooting) we could do much worse than bringing in a guy like Scott who already knows JVG's system and has played with Tracy and Yao. On a side note, I'd like to re-sign Wesley for the veteran minimum. So in summary this is what we have... Alston | Head Wesley McGrady | S. Padgett | Bowen Howard | C. Robinson | Hayes Yao | Mutombo The backcourt obviously looks a bit thin, but remember that we still have the #8 pick, #23 pick, the MLE, and two trade exceptions (4.2 and 1.8 I think) to make additions. This also puts us in a much better position than we were before to do a trade with New Orleans (our 8 & 23 for their 12 & 15). Depending on how the early Lottery shakes out, it could be a really smart move. So, what does everybody think of this? Would you do it?
I'd gladly do it just to get rid of Stromile Swift, but after doing so I'd no longer be interested in trading for the New Orleans picks. Not unless they were willing to throw in something in addition to the 12 & 15. I find 8 & 23 to be more appealing. There are some guys I like still slated to go at or after 23 and obviously having the 8 is better than having the 12. I actually really like this trade proposal. Now somebody figure out a way to get rid of Juwan Howard.
hear hear...and one that isnt exactly earth-shattering, but it makes sense. as much as i love freaky deke, i really like what uncle cliffy would bring as a backup C or PF. padgett would be nice to have back as a backup SF...though if we got reddick or collins at #8 and then maybe novak or haryasz at #32 for that shooting SF/PF/C then its a pretty solid draft. so that would give the possible line-ups Alston/Collins* Wesley/Head/Reddick* Tmac/Padgett/rybo (groan) Howard/Swift/Novak/Haryasz Ming/Robinson/Mutombo
I was hoping we would end up packaging Swift for Devean George (perfect 3/4 for when we want to go small), but this works too.
I dont know...if they're already thin at PF, why do they get rid of 2 solid players for one X factor?
The Nets like Uncle Cliffy but he isn't going to be there for too long and they haven't used Padgett.Stro might fit in with Kidd because he can run and dunk in their system.They wanted Stro and offered us Marc Jackson during the season so it's possible they still may want him.
Glad to see that people like the trade. I proposed it on another forum that has some New Jersey fans and they all thought it was fair. Someone even suggested that we shouldn't have to give them a pick in return, which might actually be pretty realistic since their salaries are about a million short. By the way, sunn99, you added Stromile to the depth chart there but obviously he's gonna be gone if this trade goes down. And in my opinion, neither Redick or Collins should sniff the #8 spot in the draft. Just for sh*ts and giggles let's say we don't have to give up the #32 pick. How would this lineup suit everybody? Alston | M. James | D. Brown R. Brewer | G. Buckner | Head McGrady | J. White | Padgett | Bowen Howard | C. Robinson | Hayes Yao | Mutombo We get Ronnie Brewer with the #8 pick, James White with the #23, Dee Brown with the #32, Greg Buckner with our small trade exception (he's in the last year of a 1.8 mil contract), and Mike James with the full MLE. That makes 15 players under contract, so Wesley would not be coming back afterall. I wasn't sure where to put Mike James on the depth chart, so I just stuck him at backup PG, intended to be a 6th man. Big lineup: Brewer McGrady Padgett Howard Yao Small/speed lineup: Alston/Head/Brown Buckner/Head Brewer McGrady Howard/Robinson 3pt Shooting lineup: Head/Brown Buckner McGrady Padgett Robinson Every single player we acquire would be able to either shoot the 3 or play excellent defense, or both. Size and athleticism get better, and overall depth is a hell of a lot better. Obviously that's just one of many rosters we could end up with, but it's promising, no?
it is promising, and really the #8 pick becomes a matter of preference and team philosophy...if we can pick up a quality SG in FA (in your case, you propose getting buckner) then to me we have the luxury of picking up an athletic project player like brewer. and having padgett and robinson definitely would give matchup flexibility at the 3/4/5 spots. we need players that will allow that flexibility between picking up the tempo and between going down low to yao. good stuff...now if only it would happen
They still have the #22 pick in the draft, and if this trade went through as originally proposed, they'd also have the #32. They could get a serviceable PF with at least one of those picks, or package them to move up for a guy like Cedric Simmons. Plus they really had very little use for Padgett (he barely got more minutes there than Bowen got here), so it's essentially like they're just giving up Robinson.
It won't Maybe something close though, and possibly even better. We'll just have to see what Rockets management comes up with, but I have a bad feeling that they're going to blow it this off season. Just a hunch.
I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. To me, Stro is fool's gold. Picking up a 1st rounder in a deep (though not spectacular) draft like this would be valuable. When you consider that we signed Stro as a FA, we'd be getting a pick for virtually nothing.
exactly, when the draft is full of solid, quality players you can never have enough. and clutchcity, dont pull me down yet. let me have my moment of tranquility imagining the possibilities...it sucks when management wont/cant show their hand as to what theyre going to do until its too late. if they botch this summer (both draft and FA), forget a championship w/tmac and yao together. i dont think the stakes can get much higher
Kind of telling that the #32 pick upstaged Stromile Swift in your threat title.... poor Stro! I wish I was a lousy $5 Million a year employee for someone.
Lol...well...it originally started out in my head as just a way to swap the 32 and 23, but I added the players once I got to thinking about how to make it work. Plus this is the Draft forum so I figured the title was more appropriate. You're right though...it is somewhat telling, isn't it? I've gotten some more replies on that other NBA message board where I posted this, and I haven't gotten a single bad reply yet, even from NJ fans. I'm really starting to think we could keep our #32 and still call it a fair deal.
so then, the million dollar question is how do we get this idea off this page and into the hands of CD/Morey?
