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[2008] Republicans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. Deckard

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    I'm not part of the Democratic Establishment, obviously, but I am a Democrat of decades standing. I can tell you that I DID NOT want Kerry to get the nomination. God, I knew he was going to be a terrible candidate. I think he would have made a decent President, especially compared to the chump we have now, but we could have done so much better. No way Kerry should have lost that election, regardless of the crap Rove pulled out of his hat, and he pulled out a lot of crap. Absent the "scream," I think even Dean could have beaten Bush... Bush was that disliked by a majority of Americans.

    Still ticks me off to think about it.



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  2. mc mark

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    Tommy Thompson on Jews and money...

     
  4. rodrick_98

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    Let's have a clearly delineated choice -- liberal vs. conservative, northerner vs. southerner, urban vs. agrarian, Senate vs. House, i.e. Obama vs. Gingrich. The choice literally would be -- and really no pun is intended -- black or white.
     
  6. rhester

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    I will be campaigning for Rep. Paul. I am going to try to get him to Houston for a lunch or something to discuss issues.

    Hope to be able to do this if anyone is interested.

    He would be so much better than the Dem and Rep politicians running.

    I encourage everyone to read up on him.
     
  7. weslinder

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    Ron Paul is an amazing man. He's the best candidate on the board. I am definitely voting for him in the Republican primary. (Unfortunately, he's got a snowball's chance right now.)
     
  8. mc mark

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    Giuliani drinks the Kool Aid big time!

    In a stunning politicization of national security, Rudy Giuliani said today that “if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001. But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.”


    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3684.html
     
  9. Jacquescas

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    Mccain missed his time, bad timing he was the right guy in 2000, now he is too old and unpopular
     
  10. mc mark

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    Not only that but Mr. "support the troops" McCain couldn't be bothered and was too busy campaigning today to vote on the Iraq Funding bill.
     
  11. basso

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    too bad he said no such thing. nice try tho!
     
  12. mc mark

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    Who you gonna believe?

    basso? Or your own lying eyes?
     
  13. basso

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    you can't handle the truth, mc dean

    [rquoter]I'm Not Being Defensive!
    If an exchange between Rudy Giuliani and top Democrats is a preview of next year's general election campaign, Republicans have reason to be a lot more confident than they have been these past few months. Fox News Channel's Brit Hume reports:

    Washington woke up [Wednesday] to morning headlines that Rudy Giuliani predicted a "new 9-11" if a Democrat wins the presidency in 2008. Barack Obama responded that Giuliani has "taken the politics of fear to a new low." John Edwards said Giuliani's comments were "divisive and plain wrong." And Hillary Clinton called it "political rhetoric" that would not lessen the threat of terrorism.

    The problem is Giuliani never said what the headlines claimed. It all started with a story in The Politico newspaper, which contained not a single quote to support its lead and headline. But it got picked up elsewhere nonetheless.

    What Giuliani actually did say is what he has been saying for weeks, that Democrats would play defense instead of offense in the War on Terror, the same approach tried back before 9/11.

    Late yesterday afternoon the Democratic National Committee sent an email bearing the signature of chairman Howard Dean (reproduced at Little Green Footballs), in which he misquotes Giuliani outright:

    Rudy Giuliani should be ashamed.

    The former New York City Mayor is politicizing September 11th in his 2008 presidential bid. Here's what he said at a recent campaign stop in New Hampshire:

    "If a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001... Never ever again will this country ever be on defense waiting for (terrorists) to attack us if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense!"

    I won't let this wannabe Republican nominee get away with remarks like these.

    In fact, the first sentence in the Giuliani "quote" was not something Giuliani said but something Roger Simon of The Politico wrote. The Democrat-friendly New York Times is more careful, but it manages to take Giuliani's words out of context:

    In his two months on the campaign trail, the central animating theme of Rudolph W. Giuliani's presidential campaign has been that his performance as New York mayor on Sept. 11, 2001, makes him the best candidate to keep the United States safe from terrorists.

    But when Mr. Giuliani broadened that message here on Tuesday night, saying that Democrats "do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us" and that if they were elected the United States would suffer "more losses," the response from his Democratic rivals was swift and pointed.

    Rush Limbaugh has the actual "more losses" quote, and, contrary to the impression the Times gives, it is substantive and not pointedly partisan:

    The question is going to be, "How long does it take, and how many losses do we have along the way?" And I truly believe if we go back on defense for a period of time, we can ultimately have more losses and it's going to go on much longer. The power of our ideas is so great we'll eventually prevail. The real question is, "How do we get there?" Do we get there in a way in which it is as expeditious as possible and with as little loss of life as possible, or do we get there in some circuitous fashion.

    This is just the latest example of one of the oddest rituals of American politics: Democrats try to smear Republicans as mean and dirty by falsely accusing them of saying terrible things about Democrats. The classic example, to which we devoted a 2004 essay, is the plaint: Stop questioning my patriotism! As we wrote then:

    Democrats themselves raised the issue of patriotism by defensively denying that they lacked it. A cardinal rule of political communication is never to repeat an accusation in the course of denying it ("I am not a crook"). These candidates "repeated" a charge no one had even made.

    It's happening again. Now the claim that "if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11" is part of the political debate--thanks to the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    The Giuliani kerfuffle is an especially lovely example of the self-defeating nature of this Democratic tactic, if one can call it that. Giuliani's criticism of Democrats was that their approach to terrorism is to go "on defense," and the Democrats responded by getting all defensive. Kind of proves his point, doesn't it?[/rquoter]
     
  14. mc mark

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    LOL!!!

    Okay so you want to play semantics. Not surprising

    Anyway this really gives us all a glimpse of the real Rudy! He’s nothing more than a Bush wannabe using the same failed rhetoric to support the same tired and failed ideas and policies.

    Hey! If you want 4 more years of that from your president more power to ya. But I think the American people are done with that.
     
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  15. basso

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    which gop front runner have the democrats "brought down" w/ their "scarlet letter?"
     
  16. mc mark

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    uh McCain?

    I will admit I'm not sure what he meant myself that why I edited it.
     
  17. basso

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    it's a little early don't you think, to be claiming scalps in this race?
     
  18. mc mark

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    I agree, yes.
     
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    — Mitt Romney, in an interview with the Associated Press, saying that the country's safety would not benefit significantly from catching Osama Bin Laden. This quote was buried in the AP article.

    One wonders what the reaction would be if a Democrat said this.

    http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/26/quote_of_the_day
     
  20. rodrick_98

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    anyone watch the debate? it can be seen online on msnbc.com


    both romney (who's delivery sounded like perry) and mccain make me want to puke [​IMG] please no more. ron paul is friggen awesome. i also liked tommy thompson.


    i liked some of guliani's answers, specifically on abortion. but ugh on national id cards by the big 3. ron paul gave me chills regarding his view on the id cards.
     
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