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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. gifford1967

    gifford1967 Member
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    and vlaurelio.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    thread derailers, you suck. back on topic:

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  3. basso

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    don't think i could limit it to one question, but since my main problems with Obama are philosophical, rather than policy specific (other than, you know, the 23 Trillion dollars), I might ask him how he could spend the past 4 years criticizing every aspect of the Bush presidency, in extremely harsh terms, and then the past 6 months replicating or continuing many of the policies he found so objectionable on the campaign trail?
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    no, the argument is WHERE WERE YOUR COMPLAINTS ON BUSH'S CANNED PRESS CONFERENCES WHEN WE KNOW HE GOT THE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE. AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN TOUGH

    I don't care if Obama gets tough questions or not, I'm confident he can answer them,
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i'm a glutton, what can i say? i think its funnier when he runs away from his own threads anyway
     
  6. gifford1967

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  7. basso

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    Are you suggesting the press took it easy on Bush? really?
     
  8. basso

    basso Member
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    i assume this is just for yourselves, since i have no idea what this particular internet meme refers to.
     
  9. geeimsobored

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    He was talking about Bush's press conferences which were exceptionally tame.

    Seriously, its at the point where it bothers me, but why do you always answer everything with a question? Do you have any personal thoughts on anything? I posted earlier that somewhere within Basso, there's a set of real substantiated opinions on something.

    I think I was wrong.
     
  10. mc mark

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    how many did he have? 3?
     
  11. bnb

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    If he were to answer you candidly he'd say inertia is a b****.

    Then, if he were interested in your opinion, he might ask why you supported or were silent on many of those same policies over the last 4 years and yet criticize them so harshly now. He then might ask whether you think your party would have attempted anything different. Criticism rings hollw unless you offer an alternative.

    And, yes, gifford -- I should be beaten on the head too :(
     
  12. geeimsobored

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    He also had those "town hall meetings." Glad the American people got a chance to its their mind.
     
  13. basso

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    i don't criticize the policies now. i criticize the rampant hypocrisy of obama and his supporters.
     
  14. bnb

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    Cool.

    and they hold up a great big mirror back at you (with funny pictures).
     
  15. vlaurelio

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    give a specific policy which embodies rampant hypocrisy
     
  16. mc mark

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    oh! You mean the hand picked town halls that asked probing questions such as "I love the way you look in that tie?"
     
  17. basso

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    sure.

    [rquoter]Obama White House breaks another promise to reject Bush secrecy


    Well, at least it's bipartisan.

    The still sort-of-new Barack Obama Democratic administration has again adopted another policy straight out of the administration of his much-criticized Republican predecessor, George W. Bush.

    Obama administration officials have rejected a watchdog group's request for a list of healthcare industry executives who've been meeting secretly in the White House with Obama staffers to discuss healthcare changes being drafted there and in Congress.

    According to the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which is suspicious of the influence of health industry lobbyists and company officers, it received a letter from the Secret Service citing an Obama Justice Department directive and denying access to visitor logs under the "presidential communications privilege."

    Sound familiar?

    Remember the holy hullabaloo in the early Bush years when Vice President Dick Cheney met in the White House compound with energy industry officials and refused to release a list of those executives and the frequency of their visits? That controversy was propelled by critical Democrats and was before Obama's brief Senate tenure.

    But wait! Here are a few promises straight off the Obama Organizing for America website early this morning:

    The Problem
    Lobbyists Write National Policies: For example, Vice President Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force of oil and gas lobbyists met secretly to develop national energy policy.

    Secrecy Dominates Government Actions: The Bush administration has ignored public disclosure rules and has invoked a legal tool known as the "state secrets" privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court.

    Oh, and this:

    Release Presidential Records: Obama and Biden will nullify the Bush attempts to . . .

    . . . make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.

    And this:

    Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.

    Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.

    These statements are on the same Web page as a highlighted Obama campaign quote: "I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington. . . . I'm asking you to believe in yours."

    The citizen ethics group has threatened to file a lawsuit against Obama as early as today despite an administration claim that it was reviewing policies.

    But it's an inconsistency that someone might ask the president about at his Cleveland town hall meeting Thursday and/or during his prime-time news conference this evening (5 p.m. Pacific, 8 p.m. Eastern). As usual, we'll be watching and have the full transcript here ASAP.
    In recent weeks The Ticket has also been regularly chronicling Vice President Joe Biden's numerous "private meetings" in the White House and his Delaware home with unidentified people on unnamed subjects.

    And we wondered aloud how such secret get-togethers differed from Cheney's secret meetings. No answer.

    But then the other day, as we duly noted here, Biden's White House schedule suddenly stopped listing "private meetings." Instead, it began calling them "meetings that are closed press." A distinction without any practical difference in terms of contradicting candidate Obama's promised governing transparency.

    -- Andrew Malcolm[/rquoter]
     
  18. pgabriel

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    more proof that you are the one here to b**** and you don't understand these topics.
     
  19. geeimsobored

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    Dear Basso,

    Just because some of us voted for Obama doesn't mean we defend everything he does.

    It may come as a shocker to you, but you can vote for someone AND criticize some of the things they do. You see most people have opinions that don't always conform to the actions of a candidate or a political party.
     
  20. basso

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    and i criticized Bush about many things. and while "some" of you may criticize aspects of Obama's policies, "most" of you don't.
     

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