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10 million dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhadamanthus, Dec 15, 2006.

  1. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

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    Baby girls.

    I am becoming further convinced every day that the term "civilization" is inapplicable to groups of humans.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061214/india_nm/india280322
     
  2. XxShadyPinkxX

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    That's disgusting and deeply disheartening. How do these people live with themselves? The saddest part about it is that there will probably be many more victims and no one will do anything about it. :( :( :(
     
  3. StevieFlight3

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    This is sad.

    When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned - For what crime she was killed (Quran 81:08)

    :(
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    This part really struck me as odd

    It would seem like that would be the opposite since more educated people would see the equal value of girls becoming bread winners. I think in China usually killing daughters is a rural phenomena among the less educated.

    On a slight tangent I remember listening to a discussion on this on NPR a while ago and one of the fears regarding gender imbalance is that the lack of women will make a society much more aggressive and in countries like India and Pakistan with seething conflicts this could lead to more war and general violence.
     
  7. Daedalus

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    Islam prohibits infanticide or killing of female infants. This is considered a serious crime of murder.

    Surah Al-Takvir Chapter 81, Verses 8 and 9 (81 : 8-9)
    “When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned, for what crime she was killed.” (17:31), (6:15)

    In pre-Islamic Arabia killing of female infants was very common and very often the moment a female was born she was buried alive.

    Islam not only prohibits female infanticide, but it forbids all types of infanticide, irrespective of whether the infant is a male or female. It is mentioned in Surah Al-Anam chapter 6, Verse 151 (6:151).
    “Kill not your children on a plea of want. We provide sustenance for you and for them. Come not near shameful deeds, whether open or secret. Take not life which Allah has made sacred.”
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    I guess I'm not sure what relevance that has in this thread, considering that India is dominantly hindu. But - uh - thanks for the info.
     
  9. MadMax

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    This is horribly depressing. Thanks for making me aware of it, though, rhad.
     
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    Apologies for being politically incorrect, but we Americans slaughter thousands of innocents every day of the week -- its called abortion. What makes it so different there as here?
     
  11. bnb

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    Actually, Thumbs, i suspect the above 10m number includes abortions once the sex of the baby is determined. That's possibly why it is prevalent with the 'more educated.' -- they have the means to test and abort. The 10m number is based on number of boy vs girl births --not observation of killing.

    Still shocking.

    India is an amazing and puzzling place. So advanced, progressive and forward on some fronts. So primative, oppressive and backwards on others.
     
  12. MadMax

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    i don't disagree with what you just said. but i think it's sad anywhere.
     
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    Wow. I do not consider my self pro-choice, but to compare this with abortion? Last time I checked, these weren't performed by shoving sand in a newborn's face until he/she suffocates or by stuffing tobacco in their mouth and hanging them upside down. That is just plain cruel.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Several reasons for this, only the upper crust can afford ultrasounds & any pre-natal care (sidenote: almost every ob-gyn office I recall seeing in Northern India last year had a huge sign out front that said something like "Ultrasound available, NO GENDER SCREENING" )

    Second, if anything inherent caste/gender biases are even more ingrained at the top of the scale because they have an interest in keeping the status quo.

    Yeah the gender imbalance in a lot of asian countries (China is trying to address this as well. ) may have very negative consequences.
     
  15. MadMax

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    this 10 million number, according to UNICEF, includes the unborn.
     
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    The end result is the same -- you are just arguing the "humanity" of our killing methods. Those opposed to the death penalty are equally against the "humanity" of the needle as opposed to the noose.
     
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    look down on the Hindu's eh?
     
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    :( I'm not arguing the humanity of it, I'm just saying abortions are carried out in different stages of pregnancy, at which point comes the argument of when is it actually considered a "human", which I'm not even going to attempt to touch on. The article describes those things being done to newborn infants, so there is absolutely no argument there.

    I won't go on further as to not detract from the point here, of which I'm sure we can all agree, that this is a tragedy.
     
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    where did he even mention hindu in that post??

    i think we all ought to "look down" on infanticide. but i'm old-fashioned that way.
     
  20. NewYorker

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    And the U.S. has killed 40 million babies in 26 years.

    And India's population is over three times the U.S.

    Take that into consideration and the U.S. kills 10 times the number of babies per capita than India does....

    Maybe people should think about calling the U.S. backwards and primative as well.

    FOr those who commit infantcide though - they should be put in jail.
     

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