1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Why did Carroll Dawson trade Rudy Gay for Battier???????

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Johnson2000, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. davidio840

    davidio840 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    8,003
    Likes Received:
    3,244
    Apparently an identical version of Lowry offensively but with less Defense.
     
  2. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    8,701
    Likes Received:
    10,685
    One who doesn't keep making their 4th pick bust look bad. Conley is a nice player, but anyone who thinks getting the second coming of Rafer Alston for a top pick isn't a huge bust is kidding themselves.
     
  3. davidio840

    davidio840 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    8,003
    Likes Received:
    3,244
  4. cod

    cod Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    3,672
    Likes Received:
    81
    It wasn't just for Battier. They dumped Stromile's big contract too. Stro couldn't play under JVG and his contract would've held the Rockets back.
     
  5. GATER

    GATER Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2000
    Messages:
    8,325
    Likes Received:
    78
    Since when does MLE $ = "big contract"? The FA contract Swift signed was for basically MLE $.

    If that's "big" to you, then maybe they could eventually have gotten something for Stro as an expiring contract. Hey, Battier had a contract bigger than Stro...and they managed to get Thabeet. :p
     
  6. what

    what Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2003
    Messages:
    14,584
    Likes Received:
    2,553
    a pg with speed and quickness athletically is one requirement: see; grevis vasquez trade in favor of pargo. Because no matter how much grevis brought offensively, he was never going to be able to run the offense and play defense against the quicker guards like hollins liked.

    secondly, he has to run the offense first and make the right decisions without turning the ball over. Conley does this in spades. Hollins doesn't like a "feel" player at the pg spot. This is where Conley and Kyle differ markly. Kyle is a, if-it-feels-good-do-it kind of guard that drives hollins nuts.

    Play defense, both man-to-man and zone. Conley is one of the premier perimeter defenders in the league, despite what some on this board might think. He plays pick in roll deftly and he is always wreaking havoc in the passing lanes. Conley is one of the man reasons the grizzlies are at the top of steals as a team every year.
     
  7. CXbby

    CXbby Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2002
    Messages:
    8,701
    Likes Received:
    10,685
    If it weren't for the other great players on the Grizzlies holding him back, he would be able to show the world he's on CP3's level?
     
  8. Billionzz

    Billionzz Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2002
    Messages:
    2,554
    Likes Received:
    94
    When you look up the word homer in the dictionary, your picture is there.

    Don't get me wrong I'm a homer to but I do live in the world of reality.
     
  9. leebigez

    leebigez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    15,485
    Likes Received:
    586
    I'm also assuming you didn't see conley in his 1st playoffs which was greater than lowry in his 1st playoff appearence. Conley will never live up to his draft status, but neither did bibby who turned out to be a very good player. conley played very well last year down the stretch. This whole lowry is a good defender stuff went out the window once he became a starter. He's just average right now. I would take lowry over conly only because of the contract, not really because of the play.
     
  10. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    37,910
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    What are some of the things you believe Lowry does poorly on the defensive end?
     
  11. leebigez

    leebigez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    15,485
    Likes Received:
    586
    He's sticking to screens and he's killing the floor balance by going for offensive rebounds. He competes and it looks good, but he's not nearly the defender he was coming off the bench.

    Coaches will tell guards, especially pgs not to go below the ft line for a rebound. If you watch a guy like stockton who would get 5 rebounds or a guy like paul, they would get long rebs which are at ft line extended. Lowry on the other hands is down way below the ft line getting rebs. So when he's down there, its up to the other guard to get back and balance the floor. Well now we're talking kevin martin who is normally the shooter. Now its up to the other forwards which are scola and parsons. When the opponet gets the rebs, kicks it to the pg, lowry is below the ft line, you will see him waving at the guy to pick him up which is an automatic mismatch.
     
  12. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    37,910
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    Interesting. Thanks. I'll look for this next time.
     
  13. what

    what Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2003
    Messages:
    14,584
    Likes Received:
    2,553
    That's the part I see with Kyle. He does things the way HE wants to do them. When he was with the grizzlies, it was a mixed bag. Some people loved his grit, but a lot of people would cringe when he entered the game because they knew that for however long he'd be out there it'd be the Kyle Lowry show. 5 on 1 running into the lane like a bowling ball.

    Grated, he doesn't do nearly that bowling ball routine anymore and he makes attempts to get teammates involved, but there is still the seeds of that loose cannon in his eye, and if he thinks he's feeling it one night it's rough playing with him and his one man show.

    Also, to further the hollins info. If you have watched the progression of the grizzlies under his coaching, (gay, oj, trading vasquez & kyle) none of them really have had the green light to jack up shots. Shooting is a privilege that you earn after you play defense, run a successful play. OJ, in particular, was one guy that got lost in this style, because Hollins instilled the fear of god in him and he was afraid to takes shots at all. He wrangled in Gay's ole' defense also, and if you watch Rudy now the one area that he doesn't get lacks in is DEFENSE.
     
  14. thetatomatis

    thetatomatis Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2010
    Messages:
    5,699
    Likes Received:
    101
    Conley is also helped by the fact he surrounded by better scorers and better team overall. If Lowry was surrounded by a better team his defense would be improved and his stats would be raised. Thats neither here nor there as Conley has similar stats in most categories and Lowry beats him in most this year. Last year too. What it comes down to is Grizzlies have Gay, Randolph, Gasol, and others to throw the rock to for assists. They are big and athletic. That leads to turnovers. Lowry is better than Conley as a player in nearly every way. Close on defense.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now