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We are trying to get 1 quality big while contenders have a combination of 2 or 3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Liberon, May 6, 2011.

  1. Liberon

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    It's really all gravy right, we somehow manage to lure away and sign D'andre Jordan or worst yet finally get Dalambert. The only exception is a team like Miami, sorry bigs but they have the most lethal and powerful perimeter duo this league has ever witnessed. Okay setting that aside and looking at future Western Conference contenders and looking at what they can do you quickly realize unless we get two quality 6'11 or taller guys plus a back up on a bench we are not going to make it to the Finals. Think about that, Houston is in the West and unless we get some tall-ass mofos that can play in tandem we probably won't ever make it to the Finals the next decade or so or even advance past the preliminary rounds. You look at who does and it's clear to say that this assessment is true.
     
  2. jopatmc

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    We need 3 quality rotation bigs. However, we have 3 quality rotation bigs. But they lack length. We've got one of the top 10 defenders in the league in Hayes (if we re-sign him), who is a plus player on both ends of the court, but he lacks length. We've got a great young big in Patterson. He lacks experience but he's got everything else (length, athleticism, intelligence, skills). And we've got Scola who is fantastic on one side of the court but cannot play defense and lacks length on the defensive side of the ball.

    We do need an upgrade to our frontcourt, but we don't need 3 new bigs. We need one legitimate center to play alongside what we already have.
     
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    But, but we have...

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  4. DallasThomas

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    Step 1: Get a quality big.

    Step 2: Get a second quality big.

    Step 3: Maybe get a third.
     
  5. Liberon

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    In the past 10 years the closest thing we have that can compete with was when Yao was lighter and quicker to go along with Kelvin Cato who was 6'11 and started at the 4 for us. If we want to go up against Haywood or Chandler + Dirk or Randolph + Gasol we can't do it with Hayes and whoever else. Hayes a great defender and we took the Lakers to 7 playing insanely fast tempo but we can't do that for more than 2 or 3 games a series, but he's not effective in a half court Play Off game. We might have to look at every option to acquire 2 more 6'11 or taller guys ready to contribute right away and be able to play with another quality big. Hayes is not a big in today's Western Conference.
     
  6. Liberon

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    Continuing with Hayes........ I praise this guy and what he contributes for the season. But when it gets closer to the playoffs and games matter more I hate him and curse at why the **** we got a 6'6" PF/C? What are we smoking. When tall teams are reeling for playoff position or we are in a half-court playoff game Chuck easily becomes the butt of jokes and for good reason.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Hayes playing alongside a quality center who can play both ends would make us sensational defensively and yes, we would give everybody fits in the playoffs. He is just as disruptive in the playoffs as he is in the regular season. We just haven't been in the playoffs enough. But it's not Hayes' fault we haven't been in the playoffs. We need a center and Hayes needs to be in our big man rotation.
     
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    Do you remember how well thatworked for us?

    Chuck Hayes can defend just fine if he's playing PF and with a defensive big to provide help defense, he would be the "hands-down" best low-post defender in the league. With a defensive big, Scola wouldn't look completely incompetent (maybe just mildly incompetent?). Pattrick Patterson isn't 7'0, but he's got a great wingspan and due to his age, work ethic, and natural talent, we should only expect him to improve.

    jopatmc: You are right on the money. We need one bit, tall, defensive-minded center. Now I don't think a defensive bigs will cure allour defenses ills, but it will mask a large portion of them.
     
  9. javal_lon

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    Is it his fault??....
     
  10. Liberon

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    If we get D'andre Jordan and could somehow get a guy like Aldridge only if we part with Hayes in a deal for him because Blazers is headed in a different direction you wouldn't want to do that? D'andre Jordan starting with Lemarcus Aldridge while a Yao who is getting paid vet minimum comes off the bench? All for retaining 6'5" Chuck Hayes because he's worth more and much better than a D'andre Jordan and LeMarcus Aldridge tandem? LOL
     
  11. crash5179

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    IMO we are set at PF. I think Pat has some all star games and all defensive teams in front of him. At 6'9" and 240lbs with his type of athleticism, the sky's the limit. BTW, he is almost the same size and body shape as Karl Malone, already plays better defense than Dirk and Zach Randolph(who btw is 6'9").

    Add Chuck and Hill to the mix and I think we are set at PF. I only leave Scola off because he is 30 and I'm not sure if he will still be a Rocket when the team really matters again.

    At center we need some definite help. Bring in Dalembert, draft Kanter, Valanciunas or Biyombo and see if Thabeet can at least turn into someone with rotation potential and suddenly our Center position looks a lot better.

    We still need to address our SF position with another rotation player, hopefully with some size and athleticism.

    Potential Front Court:
    C - Dalembert 6'11", Thabeet 7'3'', Draft Pick (Kanter, Jonas or Biyombo)6'9'' - 6'11'', Yao 7'6"
    PF - Luis 6'10'', Pat 6'9", Chuck 6'6", Hill 6'10"
    SF - Chase Budinger 6'7"

    That front court has plenty of height, size and athleticism, just think we need an additional SF (Chris Singleton 6'9"?)
     
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    I think that's a pipe dream. It's very unlikely the Clipps let Jordan walk, pretty sure they will match anything any other team would be willing to throw at him. No way Portland trades Aldridge... there's just no way. He's only 25 years old and just starting to enter his prime years and he has been an absolute stud this season.

    I would take Jordan if we could get him somehow but pending that I think the only big we really have a shot at in free agency that is worth a damn is Dalembert. Cuban is not letting go of Chandler for sure and Chandler likes it in Dallas.
     
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    Sign and trade Chuck for someone taller. A 6'6 PF who is only good for last minute defense is not worth MLE.
     
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    ^this 2x's!!
     
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    Hayes as a starting 4 would be excellent paired with a offensive shooting 5 ( Kamen, Okur) If we get an althetic defensive big, Hayes would be better coming off the bench and come in as our shutdown defensive specialist.
     
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    Getting a Lamarcus Aldrige?? FOR HAYES??? I have two thoughts:
    1. Put down the bong dude, its way too early for that stuff. (Getting Your weekend started early?)
    2. Can I have some of that?? Cause that must be some seriously strong stuff.
     
  18. javal_lon

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    Gonna need to pass that bong to Paul Allen too ...
     
  19. rockets934life

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    Hayes is a valuable defensive backup who has improved enough on offense to not be a liability. I would consider starting him next to a legit big man and trading Scola if the right value can be had but would prefer starting PPat and having Chuck back him up. Chuck is an excellent defensive player but his size is an issue, offensive rebounding and shot blocking are two issues thus needing an excellent defensive center with some offense would be necessary if you want to plug him into the lineup.
     
  20. jogo

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    We should probably draft 3 centers or 2 C's and 1 PF. That's if we keep the picks, of course. If we move up and only have 2 picks then both should definitely be centers. Why? Because Yao isn't coming back, Hayes should not be playing center, we don't know if Thabeet can give us anything next year, Miler is bad, and Hill is not a center. It's much easier to pick up a SG or SF in free agency if needed (though this may not be a need if Lee and Bud are up to it).

    Yes, these centers from the draft will be raw and won't help us win much next year. But we're not getting any center who pushes into contention next year anyway. Even if we could get DeAndre he does not make us a contender. Play young next year and try to develop players.
     

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