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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AussieRocket, Jul 10, 2007.

  1. AussieRocket

    AussieRocket Member

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    Here's the deal: The lux tax was just set at $67.8M
    Our guaranteed payroll so far is $63.8M

    Les is not paying lux tax, so we have $4M to sign Hayes, Mutombo and Landry.

    Obviously, we are not signing another FA, unless we buyout Sura and/or Lucas and let V-Span go, however in that case we would not be using these assets in a trade.

    So the bottomline is this: If we use Sura/Span/JL in a trade we are likely not bringing in another free agent. If we sign another free agent (Joe Smith or the likes) we are not using Saura/Span/JL in a trade. It has to be one or the other.
     
  2. peleincubus

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    good point.

    there are a lot of players floating around. need to turn 3 players into 1
     
  3. kokopuffs

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    I thought Sura's contract expired after last season o_O
     
  4. saleem

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    It will expire this year.He is still under contract with the Rockets.
     
  5. weslinder

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    It's only partially guaranteed. If the Rockets cut him, they won't owe the entire thing.
     
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    that 4 mil does not include MLE, right?
     
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    Yes it does, if we use the full MLE then we will go over the Luxury Tax limit, which seems to be something the Rockets will not do at all costs.
     
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    you sure about that?

     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    But Sura's contract can be bought out for only $1 million and JL3s is only partially guaranteed too....so I believe (could be wrong) that we can do a full MLE deal and still stay under the cap.

    But if the team makes a trade and uses Sura & Span, and JL3 then it would stop the team from being able to use a full MLE as that would send them over the cap.

    DD
     
  10. ImG

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    yea it still counts as our salary, mid lvl is just one of the ways for teams over the cap to be able to sign player still. or bird rights and etc.
     
  11. SmitingPurpleEm

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    We're over the cap no matter what we do. I think you mean the luxury tax threshold, which seems to operate almost like a hard cap these days.
     
  12. RedRowdy111

    RedRowdy111 Contributing Member

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    But if Sura is bought out doesnt it still go against the cap

    Also, if we just let V-Span go, it doesnt go against the cap if its a mutual agreement to just nulify the contract.

    Wouldnt that be the best idea to save money if we cant trade them
     
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    Associated Press Sports
    Updated: 8:26 p.m. CT July 10, 2007
    NEW YORK (AP) -The NBA set next season's salary cap at $55.63 million Tuesday, paving the way for teams to begin signing free agents.

    The new cap goes into effect Wednesday, when the league's moratorium period ends and trades can be made. Teams have been allowed to negotiate with free agents since July 1, but the deals couldn't be completed until the new cap was determined.

    The salary cap will rise about $2.5 million from last season's $53.135 million figure.

    Also, the mid-level exception is rising from $5.2 million to $5.36 million, and the tax level is $67.87 million, up from $65.42 million. Teams will have to pay a $1 tax for every $1 they exceed that figure by.

    The minimum team salary is $41.72 million, 75 percent of the salary cap.[/QUOTE]


    This is where the Rockets stand as of now:


    Tracy McGrady

    $19,014,187

    Yao Ming

    $13,762,775

    (Yao's real salary some sources like hoopshype didn't add the raise he got under the new CBA) - for example the maximum deal was raised from $12,000,000 to $12,455,000, plus 10.5% raise the first year, meaning $13.762,775 is the real salary, not the incorrect $13,260,000 listed by hoopshype.

    Shane Battier

    $5,883,600

    Mike James

    $6,082,776

    (old salary of $5,632,200 plus 8% trade kicker = new salary of $6,02,776 with 8% trade kicker)

    Rafer Alston

    $4,550,000

    Bob Sura

    $1,000,000 (if waived)

    Kirk Snyder

    $2,358,432

    Bonzi Wells

    $2,284,200

    Vassilis Spanoulis

    $1,944,000

    (It would be zero if he stays in breach of contract)

    Justin Reed

    $1,436,500

    Luther Head

    $1,122,000

    Aaron Brooks

    $972,720

    John Lucas

    $770,610 ($500,000 only guaranteed)

    Steve Novak

    $687,456

    Mike Harris

    $427,163 ($50,000 guaranteed)

    - I believe it's only $50,000 against the salary cap if you cut a non-guaranteed rookie deal before the regular season starts

    Carl Landry

    $427,163 (rookie minimum deal typical for 2nd round picks)

    - hasn't been signed yet but this is the likely amount


    Total = $61,601,582

    Obviously Spanoulis, Lucas, and Harris could be cut for salary purposes and lower the cap by the amounts listed above. Whether or not Sura is traded he will be cut before the rest of his salary kicks in so he will count only $1,000,000 against cap even if he isn't traded.

    So right now the Rockets can spend the full MLE and still be under the luxury tax.


    Mutombo would count $1,219,590 if signed for the 10 plus years veteran minimum.

    So adding in Mutombo (I assume the veteran minimum would get it done) the Rockets would be at:


    Now if you assume Mutombo signs for the veteran's minimum, then Harris gets cut before his full salary is guaranteed, Lucas is cut before his full salary becomes guaranteed, and Spanoulis stays in breach of contract, then the Rockets would save this in salary:

    Spanoulis -$1,944,000
    Lucas -$270,610
    Harris -$377,163

    plus Mutombo's minimum deal

    Mutombo +$1,219,590

    then the Rockets currently stand at $60,229,391

    Since the luxury tax is set at $67,870,000 that means the Rockets would have $7,640,609 to spend on for an MLE free agent, plus to re-sign Chuck Hayes.

    The MLE is set at $5,360,000, so $7,640,609 (the amount the Rockets probably realistically have left to spend) - $5,360,000 (the cost of MLE free agent) =

    $2,280,609 left over, which = the maximum to spend on Chuck Hayes.

    Considering costs of 10 day contracts and other such costs like signing other free agents and so forth that could come up during the year, then Hayes would have to get less than that amount above for the Rockets to maintain salary cap flexibility, that is if they do intend to sign someone with the full MLE, which they have the money to do. So probably about $2,000,000 to start max offer for Chuck Hayes or he is gone, unless they do not intend to use the MLE.

    Also, if they didn't re-sign Hayes they could still use the full MLE to sign a free agent power forward then, even if Spanoulis turned out to have his whole salary count against the cap depending on what may or may not be resolved with him by a certain time. This would be accomplished simply by waiving either Lucas or Harris, which means they might be competing with each other for a roster spot.
     
  14. krockets

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    Well, if they trade Lucas and Reed for a pick or a TE, or package Alston, Head, Vspan, Sura for a lesser salary player in return(total about $11 Million), then the total salary is going down as well, which means we would have more to sign Hayes, Mutombo and FA..

    From what I heard from the media so far, it seems like they want to sign Hayes, Mutombo first, and as they have mentioned before, the management is trying to get a starting PF through "TRADE", not from FA, so it's not likely they would use the whole MLE. ..
     
  15. chris_Rocket

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    This is where the Rockets stand as of now:


    Tracy McGrady

    $19,014,187

    Yao Ming

    $13,762,775

    (Yao's real salary some sources like hoopshype didn't add the raise he got under the new CBA) - for example the maximum deal was raised from $12,000,000 to $12,455,000, plus 10.5% raise the first year, meaning $13.762,775 is the real salary, not the incorrect $13,260,000 listed by hoopshype.

    Shane Battier

    $5,883,600

    Mike James

    $6,082,776

    (old salary of $5,632,200 plus 8% trade kicker = new salary of $6,02,776 with 8% trade kicker)

    Rafer Alston

    $4,550,000

    Bob Sura

    $1,000,000 (if waived)

    Kirk Snyder

    $2,358,432

    Bonzi Wells

    $2,284,200

    Vassilis Spanoulis

    $1,944,000

    (It would be zero if he stays in breach of contract)

    Justin Reed

    $1,436,500

    Luther Head

    $1,122,000

    Aaron Brooks

    $972,720

    John Lucas

    $770,610 ($500,000 only guaranteed)

    Steve Novak

    $687,456

    Mike Harris

    $427,163 ($50,000 guaranteed)

    - I believe it's only $50,000 against the salary cap if you cut a non-guaranteed rookie deal before the regular season starts

    Carl Landry

    $427,163 (rookie minimum deal typical for 2nd round picks)

    - hasn't been signed yet but this is the likely amount


    Total = $61,601,582

    Obviously Spanoulis, Lucas, and Harris could be cut for salary purposes and lower the cap by the amounts listed above. Whether or not Sura is traded he will be cut before the rest of his salary kicks in so he will count only $1,000,000 against cap even if he isn't traded.

    So right now the Rockets can spend the full MLE and still be under the luxury tax.


    Mutombo would count $1,219,590 if signed for the 10 plus years veteran minimum.

    So adding in Mutombo (I assume the veteran minimum would get it done) the Rockets would be at:


    Now if you assume Mutombo signs for the veteran's minimum, then Harris gets cut before his full salary is guaranteed, Lucas is cut before his full salary becomes guaranteed, and Spanoulis stays in breach of contract, then the Rockets would save this in salary:

    Spanoulis -$1,944,000
    Lucas -$270,610
    Harris -$377,163

    plus Mutombo's minimum deal

    Mutombo +$1,219,590

    then the Rockets currently stand at $60,229,391

    Since the luxury tax is set at $67,870,000 that means the Rockets would have $7,640,609 to spend on for an MLE free agent, plus to re-sign Chuck Hayes.

    The MLE is set at $5,360,000, so $7,640,609 (the amount the Rockets probably realistically have left to spend) - $5,360,000 (the cost of MLE free agent) =

    $2,280,609 left over, which = the maximum to spend on Chuck Hayes.

    Considering costs of 10 day contracts and other such costs like signing other free agents and so forth that could come up during the year, then Hayes would have to get less than that amount above for the Rockets to maintain salary cap flexibility, that is if they do intend to sign someone with the full MLE, which they have the money to do. So probably about $2,000,000 to start max offer for Chuck Hayes or he is gone, unless they do not intend to use the MLE.

    Also, if they didn't re-sign Hayes they could still use the full MLE to sign a free agent power forward then, even if Spanoulis turned out to have his whole salary count against the cap depending on what may or may not be resolved with him by a certain time. This would be accomplished simply by waiving either Lucas or Harris, which means they might be competing with each other for a roster spot.[/QUOTE]
    Excellent post! thanks for sharing!
     
  16. chris_Rocket

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    This is where the Rockets stand as of now:


    Tracy McGrady

    $19,014,187

    Yao Ming

    $13,762,775

    (Yao's real salary some sources like hoopshype didn't add the raise he got under the new CBA) - for example the maximum deal was raised from $12,000,000 to $12,455,000, plus 10.5% raise the first year, meaning $13.762,775 is the real salary, not the incorrect $13,260,000 listed by hoopshype.

    Shane Battier

    $5,883,600

    Mike James

    $6,082,776

    (old salary of $5,632,200 plus 8% trade kicker = new salary of $6,02,776 with 8% trade kicker)

    Rafer Alston

    $4,550,000

    Bob Sura

    $1,000,000 (if waived)

    Kirk Snyder

    $2,358,432

    Bonzi Wells

    $2,284,200

    Vassilis Spanoulis

    $1,944,000

    (It would be zero if he stays in breach of contract)

    Justin Reed

    $1,436,500

    Luther Head

    $1,122,000

    Aaron Brooks

    $972,720

    John Lucas

    $770,610 ($500,000 only guaranteed)

    Steve Novak

    $687,456

    Mike Harris

    $427,163 ($50,000 guaranteed)

    - I believe it's only $50,000 against the salary cap if you cut a non-guaranteed rookie deal before the regular season starts

    Carl Landry

    $427,163 (rookie minimum deal typical for 2nd round picks)

    - hasn't been signed yet but this is the likely amount


    Total = $61,601,582

    Obviously Spanoulis, Lucas, and Harris could be cut for salary purposes and lower the cap by the amounts listed above. Whether or not Sura is traded he will be cut before the rest of his salary kicks in so he will count only $1,000,000 against cap even if he isn't traded.

    So right now the Rockets can spend the full MLE and still be under the luxury tax.


    Mutombo would count $1,219,590 if signed for the 10 plus years veteran minimum.

    So adding in Mutombo (I assume the veteran minimum would get it done) the Rockets would be at:


    Now if you assume Mutombo signs for the veteran's minimum, then Harris gets cut before his full salary is guaranteed, Lucas is cut before his full salary becomes guaranteed, and Spanoulis stays in breach of contract, then the Rockets would save this in salary:

    Spanoulis -$1,944,000
    Lucas -$270,610
    Harris -$377,163

    plus Mutombo's minimum deal

    Mutombo +$1,219,590

    then the Rockets currently stand at $60,229,391

    Since the luxury tax is set at $67,870,000 that means the Rockets would have $7,640,609 to spend on for an MLE free agent, plus to re-sign Chuck Hayes.

    The MLE is set at $5,360,000, so $7,640,609 (the amount the Rockets probably realistically have left to spend) - $5,360,000 (the cost of MLE free agent) =

    $2,280,609 left over, which = the maximum to spend on Chuck Hayes.

    Considering costs of 10 day contracts and other such costs like signing other free agents and so forth that could come up during the year, then Hayes would have to get less than that amount above for the Rockets to maintain salary cap flexibility, that is if they do intend to sign someone with the full MLE, which they have the money to do. So probably about $2,000,000 to start max offer for Chuck Hayes or he is gone, unless they do not intend to use the MLE.

    Also, if they didn't re-sign Hayes they could still use the full MLE to sign a free agent power forward then, even if Spanoulis turned out to have his whole salary count against the cap depending on what may or may not be resolved with him by a certain time. This would be accomplished simply by waiving either Lucas or Harris, which means they might be competing with each other for a roster spot.[/QUOTE]
    Thanks for sharing!!
     

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