1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Real Rocket Fans Only: Maxwell or Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BossHogg713, Apr 21, 2020.

?

Which #11 should have been retired?

  1. Vernon Maxwell

    28.4%
  2. Yao Ming

    45.3%
  3. Both

    26.3%
  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    if Tmac keeps talking and Yao disappears from Rocket talk, then Tmac on ESPN would be the defacto reality of what happened in that era.
    Scary times we live in
     
  2. xiki

    xiki Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    1,560
    Scary times, yes. And TMac and/or Yao and/or Vernon "Mad Max' ...Well are the least of it.

    Let's talk scary: Rox fall short of whatever passes for playoffs/Finals and TF decides y'know what, Knixies wanta star. JH13 for the #1 a future #1 and Portis or Randall. That's scary.
     
  3. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    i don't even think TF is that dumb. Harden and Russ are money makers.
    I expect Rain Forest cafe ads
     
  4. xiki

    xiki Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2002
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    1,560
    Well, that, too, is scary.
     
  5. kjayp

    kjayp Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    6,942
    Likes Received:
    4,795
    I'll always love Max...

    but sorry... you dont get to quit in such an immature fashion at such a crucial juncture - and still get your number retired... nope... he burnt that bridge...

    otoh... Yao was always a consummate professional and teammate...
     
    DaDakota likes this.
  6. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    24,736
    Likes Received:
    3,669
    Not only did he quit, which is an unwritten no - no, Vernon is the guy who in the same years as we were trying to make a run threw a punch at Sidney Green, bumped an official, flagrantly fouled Nate McMillan, threw a flagrant elbow at Christian Laettner ( which I can forgive), went into the stands and punched a fan, faked a hamstring injury, failed to leave the court in a timely manner in the playoffs - verbally berating officials, beat the shiot out of Gary Payton in the locker-room, resisted arrest twice, faced assault charges twice, was charged and found guilty of illegally carrying a gun, and was arrested for possession of pot. He also took money from agents in college. He was reckless. Just like Sampson, he was on a prison trajectory, and ultimately, that's where they both ended up.

    Yao is the easy decision.
     
    #46 PhiSlammaJamma, Apr 23, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2020
    SamCassell and DaDakota like this.
  7. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    24,736
    Likes Received:
    3,669
  8. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    58,198
    Likes Received:
    18,163
    There is a difference if you win a championship as the best player, second banana or a role player.

    There is a reason Horry was a great role player winning 7 ships with several teams but still not a star player, he fed off those star players.

    It doesn't always come down to championships but also player growth and natural talent.

    IMO it is nearly impossible to compare stars to role players. Stars should get extra credit for carrying teams while role players have the luxury to hone certain aspects of the game, specializing in one or two areas of the game or playing an allround game taking a backseat to better players.
     
    #48 daywalker02, Apr 23, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2020
  9. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    Maxwell did lots more of 'community' interaction in the Houston area than Yao did
    that's for sure

    Richmond, Westheimer

    Max was there WITH US FANS
     
    BossHogg713 likes this.
  10. BossHogg713

    BossHogg713 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,287
    Likes Received:
    286
    Agree! Yao has only been on Westheimer / Gessner for his Wok Bo style restaurant.

    Mad Max is a ****in legend!
     
    xtruroyaltyx and tinman like this.
  11. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    Yao is a great person and has a great story

    but Maxwell's life was definitely more exciting and his turn around to redemption has been
    great

    Not many people are like Yao, but Maxwell represents the struggle
    it's more real to people

    that's why Tupac was far more interesting than PM Dawn
    @CometsWin


    Congrats that Max's son is at Georgia Tech.

    Max is now spending his time being a great mentor to his kids and the love of the game has passed down.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    I thought Lucky Village was better than wok bo, but it's been awhile.
     
    BossHogg713 likes this.
  13. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    maxwell can score on ehlo too

     
    BossHogg713 likes this.
  14. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    Yao Ming = Great Disney Movie, Bambi or Cinderella

    Mad Max = Above the Rim, He got Game, Juice, New Jack City, Malcolm X, The Hurricane
     
    BossHogg713 likes this.
  15. xtruroyaltyx

    xtruroyaltyx Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Messages:
    6,726
    Likes Received:
    3,998
    Mad Max easy.
     
  16. calurker

    calurker Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    1,197
    Likes Received:
    234
    You're senile, and your mind is playing tricks on you. Mad Max was all attitude zero skillz.

    Hakeem Olajuwon 2853 MP, 27.8 Pts/10.8 Reb/3.5 Ast, 10.7 WS
    Kenny Smith 2030 MP, 10.4 Pts/1.9 Reb/4.0 Ast, 6.1 WS
    Clyde Drexler 1300 MP, 21.4 Pts/7.0 Reb/4.4 Ast, 5.2 WS
    Mario Elie 1896 MP, 8.8 Pts/2.4 Reb/2.3 Ast, 4.8 WS
    Sam Cassell 1882 MP, 9.5 Pts/2.6 Reb/4.9 Ast, 4.7 WS
    Robert Horry 2074 MP, 10.2 Pts/5.1 Reb/3.4 Ast, 4.2 WS
    Otis Thorpe 1188 MP, 13.3 Pts/8.9 Reb/1.6 Ast, 2.3 WS
    Chucky Brown 814 MP, 6.1 Pts/4.6 Reb/0.7 Ast, 2.1 WS
    Pete Chilcutt 1347 MP, 5.3 Pts/4.7 Reb/1.0 Ast, 2.1 WS
    Carl Herrera 1331 MP, 6.8 Pts/4.6 Reb/0.7 Ast, 2.1 WS
    Vernon Maxwell 2038 MP, 13.3 Pts/2.6 Reb/4.3 Ast, 1.9 WS
    Scott Brooks 186 MP, 3.4 Pts/0.5 Reb/0.8 Ast, 0.5 WS
    Žan Tabak 182 MP, 2.0 Pts/1.5 Reb/0.1 Ast, 0.2 WS
    Tim Breaux 340 MP, 3.0 Pts/0.8 Reb/0.4 Ast, 0.0 WS
    Tracy Murray 203 MP, 3.5 Pts/0.9 Reb/0.2 Ast, 0.0 WS
    Charles Jones 36 MP, 1.0 Pts/2.3 Reb/0.0 Ast, 0.0 WS
    Adrian Caldwell 30 MP, 0.7 Pts/1.4 Reb/0.0 Ast, 0.0 WS

    His temper tantrums in '95 was, at best, laughable.

    From the Chronicle:
    I wish we had given Blazers Horry + Maxwell and gotten back Clyde. Kenny + Glide + Kiss of Death + Thorpe + Dream with Sam I Am as sixth man would have had a good 2 - 4 years of championship threat in them (and would have avoided the disastrous Barkley trade a couple years later).
     
  17. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    69,467
    Likes Received:
    19,735
    Nah
    You don’t know what I meant by those movie
    Comparisons

    Maxwell is more interesting than Yao easily
    @BossHogg713
     
    BossHogg713 likes this.
  18. jdiggidy

    jdiggidy Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    86
    I can appreciate that POV.
    If #11 is retired by the team it still comes back to how the organization will weigh each player's contributions. What does the organization value most?
    Does the org value Yao's international appeal and influence he had bringing the Chinese market into Houston or will they value the contributions as a role player VM brought to those championship teams.
     
  19. Easy

    Easy Very Calm
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    27,005
    Likes Received:
    7,774
    If Vernon Maxwell's number should be retired because of his contribution to the '94 championship, then that whole team's and the '95 team's numbers should all be retired. Thorpe, Horry, Kenny Smith, Cassell, Elie...
     
  20. SamCassell

    SamCassell Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    7,994
    Likes Received:
    126
    Can’t believe there’s a single vote for Mad Max. He’s the only guy I can think of who would quit a team during the playoffs. Much less a team with a chance to repeat! He hit some of the craziest shots I’ve ever seen and played serious D, but I don’t think quitters deserve any honors. I don’t know whether he was given a ring after the 2nd title, but he didn’t definitely didn’t earn one.
     
Loading...

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now