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If Yao shot as much as Tmac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Contributing Member
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    This season Tmac has taken 769 shots compared to Yao's 391.

    If you gave Yao the same number of shots 769 and then took into consideration Yao's shooting percentage, and the number of games that Tmac has played to get those shots, Yao would be averaging 26.6 ppg.

    I am just leaving the free throws alone as they both have an equal amount of makes, and are close on attempts.

    My point is that Yao should be a larger percentage of the offense, the guy shoots 52%, and only gets, on average, 12.6 shot attempts per game, wheareas TMac gets 25.6 shots per game.

    Tmac shoots a lot of 3s thus the disparity is not as great as one might think.

    However, Yao would be averaging 26.6 on the same number of shots that Tmac is averaging 24.0.

    IMHO this team needs greater balance between our 2 star players.

    Team stats

    DD
     
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    I have to agree. Hopefully; as Yao gets even more acclemated, gets over the elbow injury and the flu, and the team on a whole gets used to playing with him (all the new guys); it will get better.

    But, yea, I think to be an even better and more unstoppable offense, there needs to be that kind of balance.
     
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    Wait to tell it to Kobe later.
     
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    Sorry, I don't buy your argument. You could use the same argument on Mumtombo (or anyone who shoots a higher percentage than Tracy for that matter). If Dekembe gets as many shots as TMac, he would average more points than TMac also.

    There is a reason that Yao is not getting that many shots. It's simple: Yao can't create his own shot. He needs guards to set him up and he turns the ball over too much. Yao is not ready to be a No. 1 option just yet. I have no problem with TMac taking a lot of shots. I think that his shooting percentage will go up. He is a good shooter. However, I do think that Tracy needs to continue to try to set his teammates up. He has done less of that lately.
     
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    Yao averages less than one more TO a game than Tmac.

    The team needs balance to win.....can't win with one player shooting 25+ times a night.

    DD
     
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    If Yao gets 25ppg, refs will respect him more.
     
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    Yeah, but you can't just "give" the ball to Yao. You have to wait until he establishes position and fends off the defender from fronting him. And then the pass has to be a pin point shot at his chest. Sometimes it just seems sooo hard..
     
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    Andre Barret never has a hard time passing it to Yao, neither does Jon Barry.

    I think some players are much better at it than others. The first thing it takes is a committment to making that pass, then it is timing.

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    I have problem with TMac taking too many shots. What is his career FG%? It never exceeds 0.46. If Yao can shoot higher percentage and NEEDS SETUP, then set him up to shoot his high percentage.
     
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    yao's not even getting enough playing time, and this time it hasn't been because of the foul trouble.
    yao just doesn't fit well with this rockets' system, or shall i say, the rockets system doesn't fit yao well!?:eek:
     
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    yeah, for rockets' guards, this never seemed easy...
     
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    if yao ming would play aggressive and not to be denied, he would get all those shots. and he would probably be mvp of the league. but thats the problem. we have a guy who feels more comfortable "contributing" than "leading" and "demanding the ball because he wont be stopped".
     
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    The number of TOs that we would have in the process of setting Yao up (both on him and on other people) would negate his high shooting percentage. Besides, when Tracy shoots and misses, there is a higher chance that we would get an offensive rebound out of it. When Yao shoots and misses he usually takes himself out of position for the rebound.

    More importantly, Yao just doesn't have the aggression, the athleticism, or the stamina to become a player who shoots 20 shots a game. He just doesn't have it in him. People need to start to accept Ming for who he is.
     
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    Agreed,

    And I think if you forced the ball into him and he failed, he would sink into a depressive state, he seems to play well when he gets going early, and fade when he has a hard time at the start.

    Yao still needs to get a LOT tougher mentally.

    DD
     
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    I just do not believe it can be so hard to get the ball to Yao's hands. Those guys are playing professional BB, if they are determined to pass the ball, they should make it. I just do not think they are determined to pass the ball. There always seems to be hesitation there.
     
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    Agreed except I think Yao can create his own shot. He just cant can get the ball consistently in the positions that he can create his shots. I guess 85% is Yao's own fault. He's too slow to get the ball outside and dribble like Duncan or J. O'neal or Amare. He's not powerful like shaq to get the position inside. Yao got 40pts at raptors game and of course posters praised his "agressivness". IMHO, it's more to do with his teammates. If our players can pass those timely and perfect passes to Yao every game, who's going to stop Yao? It's obviously a difficult job as Yao lacks the quickness and vertical leap to get the difficult passes. And it's even more difficult if we keep changing our role players who are also the entry passers.
     
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    MPG of Tmac 41.5
    MPG of Yao 31.1

    If yao can play 41.5 minutes per game, his ppg would be 24.7
     
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    If you look at the stats provide by sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats :

    Name Team GP Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
    Allen Iverson PHI 29 41.7 10.0 23.4 42.6 1.1 3.6 31.4 8.0 10.1 79.8 0.8 3.1 3.9 7.1 4.2 2.4 0.0 1.8 29.1
    Kobe Bryant LAL 29 43.1 8.6 21.3 40.1 1.8 5.7 31.9 9.6 11.9 80.5 1.3 5.6 6.9 6.8 4.7 1.5 1.1 2.8 28.5
    Dirk Nowitzki DAL 29 38.5 8.5 18.7 45.3 1.3 3.3 40.6 8.4 9.9 84.7 1.3 8.7 10.0 2.8 2.2 1.3 1.3 2.9 26.7
    Amare Stoudemire PHO 31 36.2 9.8 16.4 59.8 0.0 0.2 0.0 7.0 9.8 71.7 2.6 6.0 8.6 1.5 2.5 0.8 1.7 3.4 26.7
    LeBron James CLE 30 40.9 9.1 18.7 48.9 0.9 2.6 34.6 5.3 7.0 75.7 1.3 5.7 7.0 7.1 3.2 2.5 0.8 1.9 24.5
    Ray Allen SEA 29 40.2 8.2 18.7 43.8 2.6 6.6 39.6 5.2 5.8 90.5 0.8 3.2 4.0 4.1 2.6 1.2 0.0 2.2 24.2
    Dwyane Wade MIA 31 39.1 8.2 16.5 50.0 0.1 0.4 27.3 7.6 10.0 75.8 1.6 3.8 5.4 7.5 3.9 1.7 1.0 3.2 24.1
    Tracy McGrady HOU 29 41.3 8.3 20.0 41.7 1.8 5.3 33.6 5.5 7.3 75.5 1.0 5.2 6.2 5.6 2.4 1.5 0.9 2.4 24.0
    Kevin Garnett MIN 29 39.7 8.9 18.0 49.5 0.1 0.5 26.7 6.0 7.7 78.0 3.6 11.0 14.6 6.3 3.0 1.7 1.6 2.8 23.9
    Richard Jefferson NJN 30 41.6 7.3 16.9 43.2 0.9 2.7 34.6 7.1 8.4 84.6 1.4 6.0 7.4 4.2 4.2 1.0 0.5 3.2 22.7
    Gilbert Arenas WAS 28 38.7 7.4 16.7 44.4 2.4 6.2 38.7 5.1 6.3 81.7 0.9 3.2 4.1 5.1 3.0 1.8 0.1 3.3 22.4
    Michael Redd MIL 28 38.6 8.3 18.5 44.9 1.6 4.0 40.5 4.1 4.9 84.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.5 2.0 0.9 0.1 1.9 22.4
    Corey Maggette LAC 27 37.7 6.3 14.9 42.0 0.7 2.6 25.4 8.7 10.2 84.8 1.0 5.0 6.0 3.4 3.4 0.9 0.2 2.9 21.9
    Tim Duncan SAS 33 34.6 8.4 16.6 50.5 0.1 0.2 33.3 4.9 7.8 63.7 3.5 8.5 11.9 2.7 2.2 0.8 2.9 2.2 21.8
    Carmelo Anthony DEN 25 36.7 7.5 18.8 39.9 0.8 2.8 30.0 5.9 7.6 77.0 1.6 4.4 6.1 3.2 3.6 1.1 0.4 3.1 21.7
    Paul Pierce BOS 31 36.0 6.7 15.5 43.2 1.4 4.0 33.9 7.0 8.5 82.1 0.9 5.3 6.2 4.1 2.9 1.7 0.5 2.8 21.7
    Steve Francis ORL 29 37.8 7.0 16.5 42.6 0.4 1.7 24.5 7.1 8.2 86.9 1.7 4.6 6.2 6.9 3.7 1.6 0.2 3.4 21.6
    Shaquille O'Neal MIA 32 34.8 8.3 13.9 59.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.8 10.4 46.4 3.4 7.1 10.5 2.9 2.8 0.4 2.7 4.3 21.4
    Rashard Lewis SEA 29 39.8 7.9 16.6 47.9 2.5 6.1 40.3 3.0 4.0 75.9 1.5 4.1 5.6 1.1 1.8 1.5 1.0 2.0 21.3
    Chris Webber SAC 27 35.8 9.0 19.8 45.5 0.1 0.4 27.3 2.8 3.7 76.0 2.0 7.4 9.3 5.0 3.0 1.5 0.7 2.9 20.9
    Jason Richardson GSW 29 37.3 8.2 18.8 43.9 1.3 4.1 30.8 3.0 4.6 66.2 1.9 4.4 6.3 3.4 2.8 1.4 0.5 2.5 20.8
    Stephon Marbury NYK 31 39.2 7.1 15.4 45.9 1.6 4.4 36.0 5.0 5.9 85.3 0.7 2.5 3.1 8.5 3.3 1.5 0.0 2.4 20.7
    Larry Hughes WAS 29 36.5 7.5 17.3 43.5 1.0 2.9 33.3 4.7 6.2 76.1 1.2 4.6 5.8 5.0 2.2 2.9 0.3 2.7 20.7
    Antawn Jamison WAS 30 39.0 8.3 18.9 44.0 0.9 2.8 31.0 3.2 4.0 79.3 3.0 5.7 8.7 2.5 1.6 0.8 0.4 2.7 20.7
    Peja Stojakovic SAC 29 39.4 7.0 15.7 44.7 2.8 7.2 39.4 3.7 4.0 93.1 0.9 3.5 4.5 1.7 1.4 1.1 0.3 2.4 20.6
    Richard Hamilton DET 30 40.1 7.4 16.9 43.7 0.3 1.2 28.6 5.3 6.2 86.5 1.1 2.6 3.7 3.8 2.6 1.1 0.1 3.5 20.5
    Zach Randolph POR 28 38.4 7.8 17.4 44.9 0.0 0.1 0.0 4.9 6.1 80.7 3.5 7.2 10.7 2.1 2.9 1.0 0.4 2.5 20.5
    Antoine Walker ATL 29 40.3 7.8 18.6 42.1 1.7 5.4 32.1 2.9 5.5 53.2 2.1 7.0 9.1 3.3 3.7 1.5 0.6 2.7 20.3
    Carlos Boozer UTA 32 36.7 7.9 14.8 53.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.3 6.1 70.1 3.1 6.6 9.7 2.9 2.6 0.8 0.4 3.3 20.0
    Shawn Marion PHO 31 39.5 7.7 16.2 47.2 1.5 4.1 35.9 2.7 3.3 81.6 3.1 7.9 11.1 2.3 1.3 2.1 1.8 2.5 19.5
    Pau Gasol MEM 30 34.3 6.8 13.2 51.9 0.0 0.1 0.0 5.8 7.6 76.2 2.9 5.8 8.7 2.8 2.9 0.6 1.4 2.5 19.4
    Grant Hill ORL 28 34.8 7.4 14.6 50.5 0.1 0.2 40.0 4.4 5.4 82.7 1.0 3.1 4.0 3.6 2.8 1.1 0.3 1.8 19.2
    Elton Brand LAC 29 37.3 7.1 14.0 50.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.5 5.9 75.9 2.9 6.0 8.8 2.9 2.8 0.9 1.9 2.7 18.7
    Yao Ming HOU 30 31.2 6.6 12.7 51.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 5.5 7.1 77.1 2.6 5.9 8.6 0.9 3.2 0.5 1.7 3.6 18.6
    Desmond Mason MIL 28 35.0 6.2 12.9 48.1 0.0 0.2 20.0 5.3 6.5 81.4 1.0 3.4 4.4 2.1 1.9 1.0 0.2 2.8 17.8
    Al Harrington ATL 29 39.6 6.7 14.3 46.4 0.3 1.2 22.9 3.4 5.4 63.1 2.1 4.8 6.9 3.4 3.0 1.3 0.2 4.0 17.0
    Troy Murphy GSW 30 34.9 5.9 14.2 41.7 0.7 1.4 51.2 4.1 5.6 73.7 3.2 7.7 10.9 1.2 2.0 0.6 0.5 3.1 16.7
    Mike Bibby SAC 29 37.3 5.8 12.9 45.3 1.3 3.6 35.9 3.6 4.5 79.4 1.1 3.2 4.4 5.8 2.1 1.4 0.3 2.3 16.5
    Chauncey Billups DET 28 38.0 4.8 11.9 40.5 2.0 5.0 40.4 4.7 5.1 91.6 0.6 3.4 3.9 6.2 2.5 1.5 0.1 2.9 16.4
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 30 33.3 5.6 12.5 44.5 0.0 0.1 50.0 5.0 6.1 82.5 2.7 4.9 7.6 1.5 2.4 0.8 1.7 4.0 16.2
    Kirk Hinrich CHI 28 36.7 5.5 13.8 39.6 2.0 5.6 35.7 2.9 3.4 84.2 0.4 3.4 3.9 6.6 2.3 1.4 0.3 3.8 15.8

    In the top 50, yao ming played the least minutes at 31.2MPG and his FGA is at 12.7. Only big Z and Billups shoots less than yao.
    I actually thought after trading francis and cat, yao's fga will go up to at least 15FGA. I m very suprise his FGA still stay at 12...
     
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    hes 7'6 320 lbs. how can he not create his own shot?? jumphook, fadaway, backing it down untill he is 5' from the goal. how do you need anyone to create that for you?? the reason he was drafted #1 is because he has a physical gift that automatically gets him shots if he is willing to work hard enough to do so. nobody would double team him if he couldnt create his own shot.
     
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    It depends on our counterpart.
    When you face the team with small size center like Suns,Yao is the 1st option,otherwise,T.mac. is our 1st choice.
    Anyway, we should use our two stars efficiently.
     

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