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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by CometsWin, Jun 17, 2015.

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  1. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Gotcha. I haven't talked to either of them today, but I know they'll both be happy regardless.
     
  2. sealclubber1016

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    Their pitchers have been abysmal. David Price was awesome but they traded him, now the only one who's even serviceable is Verlander, and he's not what he used to be.

    Poor pitching is out of the managers hands.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Ask them if they hated him last year. :) I always liked him as a player, especially after watching the Astros' catcher's defense since he left.
     
  4. cangrejero51

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    Plus Greene and Simon where not good acquisitions for that staff.
    Also, lost Scherzer to FA.
    The bullpen was very bad, and Martinez has not been the same hitter as year pasts due to injuries.
    They should had done better, but not much better as they lost to many good players through trades, FA and injuries.
     
  5. Rocketman95

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    They did. :)
     
  6. juicystream

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    They lost Scherzer, and Victor Martinez, Verlander & Miggy have gone through injuries. Anibal Sanchez's production has taken a nose-dive and is now on the DL.

    Once they traded Cespedes & Price, it got that much harder for them to finish well. They have some good young MLB talent going into next year, but they need growth from those guys, plus rebound seasons from VMart & Sanchez.

    Amazing how quickly they went from having one of the best rotations in baseball to one of the worst.
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    Why hasn't anyone answered my question? ;)
     
  8. cardpire

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    yup, he really turned that franchise around from the cellar dwellers they were the 5 years leading up to his hire.
     
  9. cardpire

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    I don't remember specifics offhand, but they all blame him entirely for egregiously mis-managing the stretch run and the playoff series last year. I guess the front office likely did too.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I was responding to your post in which you said he was not a successful manager. He won a division title last year - was that successful? Now, if your measure of success is a world series win, then he was not successful.
     
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    Whatever my definition of successful is, inheriting the best roster in baseball and running it into the ground within a year and a half is not it.
     
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    He didn't run the roster into the ground, that is on the GM. He didn't run Justin Verlander into the ground, he didn't fail to re-sign Scherzer, he didn't trade Doug Fister, and he wasn't the one that failed to fix the bullpen. He didn't give big contracts to aging vets.

    I don't think Ausmus was particularly good as a manager, but the decimating of the roster wasn't on him.
     
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    Fair enough, as long as you're not also using winning a division on a team that had been in the playoffs the 5 years before he got there as a credit to him.
     
  14. bobrek

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    So, the manager gets no credit for winning a division but gets blame for not winning the division?
     
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    In this case, sure. His measure of success was probably to take an already great, perennial playoff team to the next level, not get trounced in the LDS his first year and suck the next year.

    So, the manager gets credit for winning the division, but gets no blame for not winning the division?
     
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    Brewers call up Houser

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RHPs Yhonathan Barrios, Adrian Houser, Jorge Lopez, Tyler Wagner, OF Michael Reed, INF Yadiel Rivera promoted from <a href="https://twitter.com/BiloxiShuckers">@BiloxiShuckers</a> today.</p>&mdash; Milwaukee Brewers (@Brewers) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/646334470417698816">September 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Carlos Gomez + Mike Fiers for Brett Phillips + Domingo Santana + Josh Hader + Adrian Houser + David Stearns.

    <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brewers?src=hash">#Brewers</a> fleeced em, I think.</p>&mdash; J.P. Breen (@JP_Breen) <a href="https://twitter.com/JP_Breen/status/645719368328982528">September 20, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    He pitched well for them in AA... WHIP of 1.05 in 37 innings with a sub-3.00 ERA after stinking up the joint in Corpus.

    Houser is Rule 5 eligible this year. Brewers have to make a choice of whether or not to protect so they're getting an extra look.
     
  19. juicystream

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    Santana has 15Ks in his last 30ABs. 2 walks in that span.

    Houser would have been available as a Rule 5 pick if he was still with us. Good luck to him.

    Brewers did very well in the trade, but so did the Astros.
     
  20. xcrunner51

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    It was the classic bad team gambling on imperfect prospects trade. Philips is the most well-rounded prospect, but apparently even he's getting questions on exactly how much his tools will play. Santana, Hader and Houser have significant questions but all have significant upside as well.

    Houston made plenty of these trades in the last couple of years but they're just no longer in position to give time to all these question marks.

    So yea. Agreed.
     
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