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[ACA Update] The marketplace is failing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Aug 17, 2016.

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  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    when has a conservative solution every been tried? Of course it can be done.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Maybe Trump is the silver lining here. If his candidacy kills the Republican majority in the Senate, maybe there's some space to make a deal with Ryan to make useful legislation.

    DFW is a leftist now?

    This is true, it's failing on it's own. But, there's an opportunity for Congress to make legislative changes to improve on its structure to make it successful. They'd rather sit in their deck chairs and watch it drown. I work in an industry with a government constructed marketplace. We have plenty of benighted legislators and regulators who do dumb things, but they are proactive enough to fix things that are broken and we have a reasonably functional market as a result.
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    If we host the next world war and have to rebuild our infrastructure from scratch, sure. Otherwise people will treat it like education and assume if someone else is worse off, you're better off and vice-versa.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    Insurance laws that required insurance companies to pay for emergency rooms as in-network regardless of whether they are is problematic. Most emergency rooms now stay out of network so they can make more money and are staffed by doctors who are not in-network.

    Too many people take a kid with a fever to an emergency room, stay there for five hours and get an aspirin and some jello. To the member that might cost $250. To the insurance company it costs $5000.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    What is the conservative solution if you can't afford insurance you die?
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    What solution is that? The only 'solution' I've heard proposed by conservatives (aside from Obamacare itself) is to do the same old private insurance thing that left us with rising costs and millions of uninsured in the first place.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    They would rather see a different system that works. Not throw money at a broken system.

    Apparently now its either go with Obamacare or you are purposely trying to kill people:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: spare me.

    Let me ask you a question. What have you learned from the mistake of supporting this legislation that has failed so quickly and hurt so many?
     
  8. Anticope

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    I have a crazy idea. Bear with me here because this is an extremely radical solution. Why don't Congress and the White House work together to fix the existing issues with the ACA?
     
  9. justtxyank

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    Because Republicans have no desire to fix ACA, or even to make it solvent until they can get the white house back.

    The reason is simple; fixing ACA is self-defeating politically.
     
  10. Dubious

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    I learned "don't compromise to a Republican plan" if you win the Executive and have momentum.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    Because it is fundamentally flawed and unworkable. It must be scrapped and replaced with something that can actually work.
     
  12. Dubious

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    yes you are correct, something like medicare or Single Payer.
    People taking responsibility for people and cutting out the profits for the middle-man
     
  13. pirc1

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    What is your solution. Obama care is a conservative idea (Dole/Romney plan).
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Shocker, it failed exactly like opponents of the bill said it would.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Except when this loser is your one-vote majority:

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  16. bigtexxx

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    Is anybody honestly surprised this thing is falling apart?

    So much for Obama's only "achievement" (**snicker**, crammed through on a partisan-only vote)
     
  17. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

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    How dare you try to offer another option. 'F U' says Anticope. Fall in line Dubious and try to fix the current system. Don't go around suggestign a new system you think would be better.

     
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    Nope they can't fix it either. No one can. As currently constructed the U.S. is incapable.
     
  19. Dubious

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    Hey I'm a Single Payer guy, I was pissed at my own favorite President over it.
    But he wanted to get off on the what he thought was the right foot and work with the GOP. It turns out they were only grifting their insurance lobbyist. I remember their glee over millions of new policies.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    There's no "fixing" this, it just needs to go away. It was a stupid idea from the start which is why the president had to essentially bribe Democrats with tons of pork just to get them to support it. That's not to say there aren't some good things in the bill, but it's best to kill the whole thing and then start over with a new bill than to try and salvage this abomination of a bill.
     

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