They are number 12 in the world in most deaths per million. All their neighbours are in the bottom of the list. Sweden 583 deaths per million Norway 53 deaths per million Finland 62 deaths per million Denmark 115 deaths per million So no similar results at all. 10 to 5 times more deaths than everyone around them.
Not bottom of the list for the others. 5-10 times sounds “scary” but in grand scheme of things there’s not a huge difference in overall numbers and relatively low risk in general. That’s without any mitigating factors vs extreme shutdowns. Let’s look at suicide rates in the countries with extreme lockdowns vs Sweden.
Sounds "scary"? Do you forget that you are talking about human lives and not just numbers in an excell sheet? We are talking about 5 to 10 times death rate. A 10 times difference in death rate is the difference between covid and the black plague. Sweden is on top of a list along with countries of 3 categories. 3rd world countries, Trumpland, and european countries who got hit before they realised what happened. They are a country without mutligenerational households , with one of the "best" free healthcare systems and with BOTTOM 3 population density in europe. They weren't the first to be hit and they had ALL the time in the world to take measures. They have done the worst job in all the continent all things considered As for suicide? They already are in the top30 world wide before the pandemic.
583 per 1 million is what percentage? How many had other underlying conditions? What is the IFR? I’m not going to be scared by a virus that has a 99.4% survival rate unless you’re over the age of 70. If that’s insensitive, I don’t really care. It’s not the plague, it’s not Ebola, it’s not MERs. The suicide rate has skyrocketed across the globe, way higher than percentage of deaths from this virus.
Are you under the impression that Sweden didn't do anything? Did you know that - Sweden banned gatherings of more than 50 people (a ban that's still active). - Banned care home visit from April to September - Restricted bars and restaurants to table only service - Students 16 and older and university students stayed home and did remote learning - Government recommended social distancing and people actually followed it. If you look at Stockholm's mobility data from google and compare it to Harris County. People in Stockholm is moving less than people in Houston across compared to typical baseline across all metrics (work, retail, gorcery, parks). https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/ I'm also interested in this. Do you have a link to 2020 suicide numbers?
I’m very aware of what protocols were put in place. There was no mask order, schools and gyms weren’t shut down, bars weren’t shut down. They did put in some mitigating factors but nothing compared to countries that have had extreme spreading. Again, I’m not saying that it’s not real or there won’t be casualties. I’m saying that there isn’t much difference in outcome from one extreme measure to the opposite. So why do the extreme draconian measures? And yes, let me find the study about suicide and domestic violence rates.
Again are you an idiot or a sociopath? A 10 times death rate is not "much difference in outcome"? A 10 times death rate difference is the difference between 100.000 dead and 1.000.000 dead. Jesus Christ.
First, before you call someone an idiot, understand the difference in death rate and per million. You’re conflating two statistics that don’t have anything to do with each other. Second, look at the actual numbers. Look at what the science is actually saying. 99.4% survival rate. Give me those odds anytime. Third, if you wanna play the name game, we can. You will lose
One country has 10 times the deaths of their neighbour per million. You think that's no big deal. If you aren't a sociopath then what are you?
Listen you ignorant, over sensitive person. You are not intelligent enough mentally to engage in an honest discussion. You think with your heart, so therefore you just can’t understand. Per capita and death rates are different. I’m sorry you aren’t smart enough to understand the difference, so unfortunately I can’t respond to you about this subject any further.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm I’m trying to find the link with the estimated numbers world wide. Ideation is up almost 3 times the same time last year.
Actually I want to apologize. I understand some people are reacting differently than I am to this virus and the fallout from it. I am very pragmatic and numbers based-to a fault. Thinking about the human side of it is not a strong suit of mine, I know when emotion is involved rational thinking can dissolve. This virus is serious, I just don’t think the reaction or steps are equivalent to the actual numbers.
Thanks for the number, but that doesn't tell me how many people committed suicide this year vs last year. You seemed so certain that increases in suicides hurts more than the lives saved from more drastic lockdown. Also, it would be interesting to see how if a country that has better social safety net and covid assistance would have on people's mental health. Would people be as depressed over a lost job if the government guarantees their health care, food on the table, and a roof over their head while being unemployed? Also, is ideation up because of the lockdown or because of the deaths from a pandemic that doesn't seem to have an end and just getting worse. If the lockdown in the US wasn't so half assed and people actually wore their masks. then their mental health would most likely improve.
As I said, I’ll find the study that had more numbers. There is a strong correlation from ideation to act. You’re making a lot of assumptions and what ifs. I have no interest in opinion about why or causality. Credible sources with scientific backing have said suicide, domestic violence and over all mental health problems are on the rise during this pandemic. It is ok to think the administration has done a bad job in reaction and at the same time think a lot of it is overreaction to a virus that isn’t as bad as it was initially thought to have been. And government control over health care, food on your table and roof over your head is not something I would entertain. You want that, go to any socialist country. Or live off your parents teat. I’ll take care of my own, don’t need government to do that.
I agree that the pandemic causing the rise in suicide, domestic violence, and mental health problems are on the rise. You seem to imply that you believe the lockdown measures / overreaction caused those to rise. Do you have a study on the causality between the lockdown measures and the mental health issues?
Definitely a causality with Heart Attacks and Stroke patients. People who have issues are too scared to go to hospitals, which will have long term consequences, as will suicides. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/doc...s-er-visits-drop-heart-attacks-dont-stop.html https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/05...already-rising-suicide-rates-heightens-worry/
Causality due to fear of catching covid19 or because of the lock down? The article suggests that people are scared of going to the hospital rather than not being able to because of overreacting government policies.
It isn't "suggesting," it is showing the facts. Only thing I ever saw shut down was "elective" surgeries in order to keep beds open. We know now that never was an issue and now hospitals have floors of vacancies due to people fearing this thing.
he’s providing death rate per capita. How is that confusing? sweden has a 5-10x higher death rate per capita. That’s highly meaningful and relevant to the discussion you were having. you can still reply with the “even at that rate it doesn’t concern me”... but I’m not sure what you’re trying to say otherwise.
