Great to see a real PG out there w/ the Rockets offense

Broken freakin' record.

Can we just have a "Francis Sucks" sticky, Clutch?

Go root for the Mavs.

 

Francis has a good game after a hot and cold season: sell high

Jackson, after about 3 months of contributing next to zero, has a good game: he should start.

This thread is aburdly stupid.

I can only imagine what you guys would have said if it was Francis and Mobley jacking up 3's instead of Nachbar and M. Jackson.

"their game isn't suited for Yao"

"they gave up a hundred points on defense! Francis got burned by Flip Murray all night long!"

"they let a team back in from 20 points down, again!"

"they're just lucky that the shots fell tonight, it still shows that there's a problem, it's not going to happen every night"

But change the names on the back of the jersey and everything is cool

The amount of kneejerkiness on this board these days (threads like "We SUCK and don't DESERVE to make the playoffs" that were popular this time last week, e.g.) is really out of control.

I am inviting Juugie to come into this thread and to showcase his SOF logic (which I'm pretty sure is more of a satire thing than most of you guys who tangle with him realize), it's badly needed.

 

Done that, not working!

 

Best post of the year.

 

You just say any B.S. to make your point. Since when are J Jackson, Boki and Padgett great passers. Have you looked up JJ's turnover numbers?

 

Damn I wonder why Yao and JJ didn't get the night off as well? But then again, Yao has taken the entire month off so he was well rested. JJ,on the other hand should get the night off Wed against Dallas since Boki played well against Seattle.

 

Exactly ... He had one good game and everyone takes that as an opportunity to talk about how he is so much better out there even though he is unbelievably slow and until yesterday, he could not shoot. He has had plenty of games where he has had just as many or more TOs/min as SF3.

Isn't this the same Mark Jackson that was like 3-32 from 3 point range like 2 weeks ago? I'm sorry, but even if SF3 has a couple more TOs a game, what he delivers on the offensive and defesive end is 10x better than a slow, old MJ. Francis has been distributing the ball extremely well lately, and he has the ability to draw the defense to him. If MJ is out there with Cato, then it would be a completely different story when the defense can play its 5 against the Rockets 4 on offense(more like 5 on 3 if you consider MJ's outside shooting prior to last night).

 

Happy to see that Yao got as many boards as the high leaping rebounding machine that is Mark"freaking" Jackson.

 

Amen.

Love the point about Yao not having any more shots too.

 

Clutch just nailed it.

I just know Rox ball could be fun to watch after yesterday.

 

Dude,

Do you even watch the games? These players DO NOT try to split double teams by themselves, and they make the easy pass to the OPEN man.

Yes, it was one game against a less than motivated opponent. No doubt, but the whole point of this thread is simply a chance to look at how good the offense can run when everyone is COMMITTED to moving the ball.

And yes, JJ has been turning it over too much lately, BUT, most of his turnovers are of the "trying to pass" variety, not the DRIBBLE THE BALL OFF YOUR FOOT kind.


DD

 

NWO,

Francis is HARDLY great as a shooting guard, or any guard for that matter, he is an exciting player who is a gifted athlete.

But, Great? Come on? How can someone who is shooting around 40% be considered a great shooting guard? And don't give me Iverson, because he is my definition of a cancer.

DD

 

I love u Clutch (even when we disagree).

 

While the "teams dont play as hard when they have nothing to play for at the end of the season" arguement doesnt apply to all teams, I saw a Sonics team who wasnt playing very intensely on defense. Either way, the general point is that you can rarely predict what team should beat what team. The Clippers, a team that has nothing to play for, have lost their last 13 games [17 of the last 18], but no one thinks anything about it because theyre on the bottom of the standings, but when phoenix, another down and out team, upsets sacramento and memphis in consecutive games, it skews our thinking. Either way, its a trivial point, my general idea is that you can rarely predict what games should be won; I only applied it to the sonics, I didnt mean for it to be a make-or-break point in my arguement.


While it's well known that Nash is better than Francis in running the point, the Mavericks run a frantic pace and average nearly 13 more shots a game leading to more opportunities for assists. You would question Nash's efficiency in our system. While he would more than likely do better than Francis, youre still talking about making Yao Ming the undisputed "man" of the team. After watching him play the past few weeks, would you be willing to do this? This is why Francis still has value to the team. Throwing out stats showing Nash's strength against Francis' weakness do little. Francis' playmaking ability [in the past] is still valuable for this team, and come playoff time, I'd rather have Francis creating and taking the last shot over anyone, because hes the best at getting his own shot. Either way, I'm not trying to argue that Nash isnt a better ball handler than SF, but statistics can be skewed to tell anything, you cant assume that his value for the Mavericks will translate over to the Rockets. They both play in completely different systems.


I agree, that if Francis' doesnt show improvement towards a Yao-centric offense, he needs to be moved, but you admitedly concede that you don't know who to get. In reality, you can't just hastily say we need this player, and go out and make it happen. Marquee players are rarely swapped for other marquee players unless the teams involved are rebuilding. So what do you do? Trade for parts? What if you impulsively bring in parts of "value" that are supposed to better fit Yao [thus making Yao the man] just for the sake of trying to make a move and then have them fail? Then we're stuck rebuilding again, giving away our best player who was a fan-favorite and very marketable.

 

That's pure, unadulterated B.S.