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Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Mar 16, 2020.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    It is clear that BoB went alphabetically though the NFL to find a trade partner.
     
  2. Mr.Scarface

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    He was shopped to the Bills and Eagles. We know that. They dropped out because of Hopkins' contract demands. Rivera was just taking control in Washington. It could be he was busy with other things.
     
  3. Cannonball

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    To be fair, did any other team have a 3rd string RB making $10M that they were willing to part with?
     
  4. Sooty

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    Texans’ David Johnson experiment looks worse than ever in loss to Steelers

    https://theathletic.com/2097239/2020/09/27/the-texans-david-johnson-experiment-looks-worse-than-ever-in-loss-to-steelers/

    Through the first two winless weeks of this Texans season, as they failed to produce explosive plays with their new downfield threats, there was still something distinctly different about this year’s offense: Even when controlling for win probability in a pair of blowouts, Houston led the league in early-down passing frequency.

    Analytics favor this approach, but the Texans’ first-time play caller, offensive coordinator Tim Kelly, promised this wasn’t part of his football philosophy.

    “We don’t want to be pass-heavy,” Kelly said this week. “We’d like to be more balanced, and I’ve got to do a better job making sure we’re more balanced.”

    To ensure that, Kelly course-corrected in dramatic fashion Sunday, even as results told him to stop. In the Texans’ 28-21 loss to the Steelers in Pittsburgh, Houston’s explosive passing offense showed up in the first half, when the Texans scored all of their points, but a fruitless commitment to the run did them in as they dropped to 0-3. Though David Johnson scored Houston’s first touchdown, he ultimately had the least efficient performance of his career, gaining 23 yards on 13 carries (1.8 YPC).

    All of Johnson’s rushing attempts came on first and second downs, contributing to the Texans averaging 11.3 yards to go on third down — the worst mark by a Houston team since 2003.

    “We tried to work different schemes, and really nothing worked,” head coach and general manager Bill O’Brien said. “We weren’t able to get to the edge, and we weren’t able to really get up inside too much. So we just have to look at it. … We have to figure out how to get our running game going.”

    If the Texans don’t, they could waste more performances from Deshaun Watson like the one the quarterback put together Sunday, completing 19-of-27 passes for 264 yards and two touchdowns to Randall Cobb and Will Fuller. Despite Watson’s efficient stat line, Houston’s offense experienced the ultimate boom-or-bust day. Of the Texans’ seven drives that didn’t result in TDs, all but one ended in a three-and-out. The other died on a Watson interception in the second half, as he was forced outside the pocket and saw the ball sail on him when he threw to the middle of the field.

    Perhaps Watson was pressing by that point early in the fourth quarter. After all, his team was faltering, and he was receiving limited chances to turn it around. So many short drives resulted in the Texans’ best player dropping back just 12 times in the second half and attempting only nine passes while Pittsburgh ran 29 more plays than Houston over four quarters.

    Facing a Steelers team that came into this game leading the league in both blitz rate and pressure rate, Watson took five sacks and absorbed 13 hits, but his protection was adequate during Houston’s scoring drives, especially when the Steelers chose to rush four.

    Eventually, though, with the Texans facing so many obvious passing situations because of early-down failures, it became easy for the Steelers to dial up pressure or blanket the field with defenders.

    “With a D-line like that, they can just pin their ears back and just rush, (or) they can drop everyone in coverage and play the sticks,” Watson said. “You’ve got to find the holes and buy some time to let those receivers get the depth that we need. But we got to stay out of that. We got to have positive yards on first and second down and get us in third and manageable.”

    O’Brien received a lot of criticism this offseason when he traded away All-Pro receiver DeAndre Hopkins for Johnson, and through three weeks, the deal arguably looks as bad as ever. The player Houston drafted with the second-round pick it got from Arizona, defensive lineman Ross Blacklock, was a healthy scratch Sunday after being ejected from Houston’s Week 2 loss to the Ravens for throwing a punch, and Johnson looks like the player who averaged 3.7 YPC during his final two seasons with the Cardinals — maybe even worse.

    The Steelers came into this game ranked first in run defense efficiency, but that alone shouldn’t excuse Johnson’s performance. He didn’t face a single box of eight-plus defenders, according to Next Gen Stats. And on a per carry basis, Johnson managed more than two fewer yards than expected, based on tracking data.

    To make matters worse, the Texans aren’t taking advantage of the running back’s receiving ability, which has made him an elite player in the past and was supposed to add versatility to Houston’s offense. Through three games, Johnson, who had two catches for 23 yards Sunday, is averaging 23.7 receiving yards per game. That would represent a career low if it held for the entire season.

    Hopkins, meanwhile, entered Week 3 as the league leader in receptions and as a member of an undefeated Cardinals team. He is proof of what Texans receiver Brandin Cooks admitted following the loss to the Steelers: The lack of a traditional offseason is not an adequate reason for Houston’s offensive struggles.

    “That’s just a big excuse,” Cooks said. “You look around the league, offenses are playing at a high level. At the end of the day, we didn’t start our season fast. We started this game fast, but we didn’t finish, and that’s on (the offense).”

    O’Brien agreed with Cooks on that last part. Though Houston’s run defense faded toward the end of the game for a second straight week, allowing 37 yards on five carries in Pittsburgh’s final 12-play scoring drive — which ended with a 12-yard James Conner touchdown run — O’Brien admitted the unit was probably tired. Houston’s offense didn’t offer its defense time to rest. The Steelers, who scored the game’s final 10 points and averaged 4.4 yards per carry, held the ball nearly 14 more minutes than the Texans did.

    “I don’t know why we can play the run well early on and not finish it, so I need to get that answer so we can figure it out,” J.J. Watt said. “… Because you’re gonna lose football games, and we are losing football games, and we need to win.”

    Just six teams in the past 40 years have climbed out of 0-3 holes to make the playoffs. The 2018 Texans were one of them, so maybe that can inspire some belief within Houston’s locker room. The postseason’s expansion and the fact the Texans have yet to face a divisional opponent offer reasons for optimism, too.

    But with three losses to three of the AFC’s top teams, it’s hard to view the Texans as a true contender, even if they do find a way into the postseason.

    Instead, Houston’s trajectory appears to mirror Johnson’s performance Sunday. One futile carry after another, the Texans look like a team headed nowhere fast.
     
  5. conquistador#11

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    You can get that type of production from a rookie RB paid with pesos in comparison to the 10 million.
    But what about Johnson's Pass blocking!!! It has been average. Duke is actually better and you paid Duke!
    Or if you really like driving your running back into a brick wall for 2 yards Fournette could have been had for so much cheaper.
     
  6. DieHard Rocket

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    By the time this is over you will be able to make a "how not to build an NFL roster" case study out of what OB has done.

    Overpaying good but not great players (Johnson, Mercilus, Martin, Cunningham, Mckinney) and trading away a franchise great for below market value nonetheless.
     
  7. STR8Thugg

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    Any chance Rivera was just lying when he said he didn't know? I guess what would the incentive be to say yes, and then invite himself to criticism?

    I'm praying he was just lying.
     
  8. STR8Thugg

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    2-1. Lions with that clutch W lol.
     
  9. arkoe

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    In some respects I'm glad Hopkins got traded. Means he won't waste all of his prime here under inept management like Andre and Watt did/have.
     
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  10. HillBoy

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    That would make the perfect book companion to "How Not To Build An NBA Roster" case study of what DM has done.
     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    Game 1: It’s only the first game and against the defending champion

    Game 2: We played toughest schedule in nfl history

    Game 3: Realization?
     
  13. DieHard Rocket

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    Meh...this belongs in the GARM but considering DM built a roster that took one of the best teams in NBA history to the brink, I don't think that's fair. Morey's time here is running out, but his roster building skills are 1000x what OB's are relative to their situations. Morey is obviously a lot more under the thumb of the owner than OB is too.
     
  14. Fulgore

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    Watching Hopkins shine with Arizona is like okc fans watching harden with the rockets.
     
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  15. Fantasma Negro

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    If Hop was still here the Texans would still be 0-3
     
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  16. STR8Thugg

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    Not so sure about that...
     
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  17. DieHard Rocket

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    Game 4: Oh God we really really suck

    Game 5: Rock bottom
     
  18. Put You On Game

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    Why can't they use DJ like how the Saints use Kamara. They're both around the same size. DJ is great when he's in space and he's a great receiver
     
  19. javal_lon

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    Because David Johnson would blow out his knees trying to run routes like Kamara ...
     
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  20. DatRocketFan

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    doesn't excuse the sht return we got for him
     

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