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[Netflix documentary] Social Dilemma

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. Amiga

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    Interview with insiders, people that lead and/or designed the system. Very well done. Strongly recommend watch for everyone. It's really important.


    "If something is a tool, it genuinely is just sitting there, waiting patiently.

    If something is not a tool, it's demanding things from you. It's seducing you. It's manipulating you. It wants things from you.

    (we have) Moved away from a tool based technology environment to an addiction and manipulation based technology environment.

    Social media isn't just a tool that's just waiting to be used. It has its own goals, and it has its own means of pursuing them by using your psychology against you."


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbb...tflix-is-such-an-important-film/#3a3e14d24e68

    The documentary does not soften any punches. It refers to us as lab rats in a way that is not meant to be funny anymore. We’re all rats at this point. We think it’s all about getting cheese as a reward and it’s harmless, but there is a lot more at stake. Not sure if you know this, but most lab rats don’t live a long and fruitful life.
     
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  2. MystikArkitect

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    If you are using a service and are not paying for a product, you are the product.
     
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  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So, then, are you a product of clutchfans.net?
     
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  4. MystikArkitect

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    Yup.
     
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  5. Ziggy

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    It seems like the people watching this aren't the types of people that actually need to watch it. Those people watch, like... Dancing with the Stars, CSI and NFL.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    I would say you need to watch it.

    Its not about if it affects you, but how. The takeaway is these big tech companies are not nefarious evil doers, but these advanced machine learning AI algorithms are so complicated now that they struggle to control them. Its allowing foreign actors who understand these process to manipulate the system for their own good.

    If you're one who follows political discussions like those found in D&D, you should absolutely watch it, especially if you're one of those here who are obviously hyperventilating as they type their responses (I wont mention names).

    I do like the idea of a data tax. Force these companies to pay for the amount of data they hold.
     
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    So people who don't contribute to clutchfans are the product?

    I get what you mean, but it's not entirely true. It is a service but instead of paying with your money, you are paying with your attention.
     
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  8. MystikArkitect

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    Well its a direct quote from the documentary. And your attention is the product. Here Clutch keeps the site running with ads. We are the product and the folks running the ads are the client. Rockets banter is what keeps us here.
     
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  9. Dairy Ashford

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    Based on the anti-ad blocker pop-up requiring my urgent attention every time I login, obviously. But even non-profit or benevolent passion project doesn't mean non-revenue, or non-expenses.
     
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  10. durvasa

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    It depends on how one looks at Clutchfans. To the extent it is a business and a source of income for the site owner, then, yes, we are technically the product.

    But I like to think that it's more than that. Of course, this is what Facebook and Twitter would say as well, but it's different when you're a huge company and everything you do is calculated to improve the business.
     
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  11. MystikArkitect

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    Im not sure either Facebook or Twitter imagined they were going to become what they did. Just like Clutchfans. I think Clutch just wanted to have a place to discuss Rockets. Enough traffic came and then interested customers came which seeked to benefit from that traffic. It just happens.

    The issue that the documentary raises is the outfall we are now dealing with because of the rise in social media. It blossomed too quickly to control and now its causing anxiety and depression in kids/adults and being used to destabilize entire governments. Ours included.
     
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