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[OFFICIAL] Joe Biden Veepstakes thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Mar 6, 2020.

  1. Corrosion

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    Its not an affirmative action pick , its an identity politics pick.

    Race , gender and sexual orientation matter more than qualifications.


    See Death Penalty case in which she did all she could to withhold DNA evidence.
     
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  2. Reeko

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    Did u have this same energy when Pence was picked? His qualifications were what exactly?

    Again, she is perfectly qualified for the role of VP. Yes, she’s black. Yes, she’s a woman. If she wasn’t qualified, she wouldn’t have gotten the nod. Please tell me how Pence wasn’t an “identity politics“ pick? What exactly does he bring to a ticket? Your weak justifications for handing Trump your vote aren’t convincing. See Trump doing X, Y, and Z, but it will all get glossed over because Biden picked Harris :rolleyes:.

    Trump supporters don’t fool anyone...just come out and say u were always gonna vote for Trump instead of trying all these little games
     
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  3. Corrosion

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    Whataboutism.

    Didn't matter , I wasn't considering voting for him.

    Your opinion .... and you know what they say about opinions - They are like assholes , everyone has one and they all stink.


    You aren't as intuitive as you think you are , I said 6 months ago - "Anyone but Kamala and I'll vote Biden , otherwise I go third party" but hey , maybe you can change my mind and get me to vote for Trump if you try.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    go ahead and waste your vote...3rd party is a vote for Trump

    Opinion? No, facts. Why isn’t she qualified? Still waiting for that answer...
     
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    In honor of Kamala( in Sanskrit means lotus or pale red, also the name of the Hindi goddess Lakshmi) Harris.

    Today I am black. In the new America, everyone can be black.

    Kamala’s father is Jamaican and her mother is caucasian. Today she is black

    My father is German and my mother is part Navaho. Today I am black

    One thing is for sure, she’s got the black vote LOCKED up
     
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  7. fchowd0311

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    Out of Pence, Trump, Biden, and Harris who do you think has the highest IQ, academic accomplishments, career accomplishments and who is the best rhetorical speaker of the four.
     
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  8. Major

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    Every white nominee in history has been partly picked to appeal based on identity politics.
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    Jesus Christ how do people b**** about indentiy politics when for over multiple centuries people weren't elected because they were NOT white.

    This is why I wish Biden and his campaign didn't openly say how important being black and a woman mattered in their decion making process and just chose a black woman without all the talk before hand therefore chodes like @Corrosion don't automatically assume a former attorney general of California and US Swnator isn't qualified.

    And Corrosion wasn't going to vote Democrat no mater what. He said "anyone but..." With like three different Democrats and it was conveniently when they became a chance to be the nominee.
     
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  10. Reeko

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    I really wonder who he thinks he’s trying to fool. Throw him in with the other fools on here playing games such as “I didn’t vote Trump or I’m not a Republican/Conservative even tho I defend Trump and troll for him 24/7”
     
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  11. Invisible Fan

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    On Google news a headline has Chris Wallace calling Harris a "shape shifter".

    Is that like tweeting one thing four years ago only to do the exact same thing you criticized against? Because there's plenty examples of that somewhere...
     
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  12. Invisible Fan

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    Ruling class Whites in your father's generation were steeped in the "One Drop Rule"



    A primer (ICYMI the first time w/ Barack Obama):

    On how being "white" is an American innovation

    It's an innovation that is only several hundred years old, dating back to the time of the transatlantic slave trade. And that is because before that time, there were humans on the land wherever they happened to be on this planet, and because of the way people were living on the land, they were merely who they were.

    They were Irish or they were German or they were Polish or Hungarian, and only [thought of themselves as white] after the transatlantic slave trade, only after people who had been spread out all over the world converged in this one space — the New World — to create a new country, a new culture where all of these people were then interacting and having to figure out how they were going to relate to one another.

    That is when you have a caste system that emerges, a caste system that emerges that instantly relegates those who were brought in to be enslaved ... to the very bottom of the caste system, and then elevated those who looked like those who had who created the caste system — meaning those who were British and Western Europeans — at the very top of the caste system. And anyone who entered that caste system had to then navigate and figure out how were they [were] going to manage, how are they [were] going to survive and succeed in this system. And also upon arrival, discovering that they were assigned to a particular category, whether they [wished] to be in it or not.

    That means that until arriving here, people who were Irish, people who were Hungarian, people who were Polish would not have identified themselves back in the 19th century as being white, but only in connection to the gradations and ranking that occurred and was created in the United States — that is where the designation of white, the designation of Black and those in between came to have meaning.

    On where people of color who are not Black fit into the caste system


    There was a tremendous churning at the beginning of the 20th century of people who were arriving in these undetermined or middle groups that did not fit neatly into the bipolar structure that America had created. And at the beginning of the 20th century, there were petitions to the Supreme Court, petitions to the government, for clarity about where they would fit in. And they were often petitioning to be admitted to the dominant caste.

    One of the examples, a Japanese immigrant petitioned to qualify for being Caucasian because he said, "My skin is actually whiter than many people that I identified as white in America. I should qualify to be considered Caucasian." And his petition was rejected by the Supreme Court. But these are all examples of the long-standing uncertainties about who fits where when you have a caste system that is bipolar [Black and white], such as the one that was created here.

    On the surprising origin of the term "Caucasian"


    There was a physician, a German physician in the 18th century who had this obsession with skulls, and he collected these skulls from all over the world and his effort to determine who was supreme in humanity. So he had skulls from all over the world, and he identified the most beautiful skulls as having come from the area around the Caucasus Mountains. And as a result of that, because they were, in his view, so beautiful, he decided to identify this skull as Caucasian clearly, and to name the group to which he belonged as Caucasians.

    In other words, this was the group that was the most beautiful and perfect of all groups of humanity. This was a group that he presumed himself to belong to — though he was German. And this was the group that he described as European, and thus the word "Caucasian" actually refers to people who come from the Caucasus Mountains.

    Now, what's fascinating about that as well is that the very people who were from that region of the world actually are among those who had the most difficult time gaining entry to the United States as citizens as white in the early 20th century, because they did not qualify based upon the preferences for those who were from Northern European ancestry.

    On how the U.S. used immigration as a legal way to maintain the caste system

    Curating the population means deciding who gets to be a part of it and where they fit in upon entry, and so there is a tremendous effort at the end of the 19th century, the beginning of the 20th century, with the rise of eugenics and this growing belief in the gradations of humankind that they wanted to keep the population closer to what it had been at the founding of the country. And so there was an effort to restrict who could come into the country if they were not of Western European descent.

    Tremendous back and forth, tremendous efforts on the part of eugenicists who then held sway in the popular imagination, tremendous effort to keep out people who we now would view as part of the dominant group. It was a form of curating who could become a part of the United States and where they would fit in, and they used immigration laws to determine who would be able to get access to that dominant group.

    On why the Nazis studied American Jim Crow laws

    I have to say that my focus was not initially on the Nazis themselves, but rather on how Germany has worked in the decades after the war to reconcile its history. But the deeper that I got, and the more that I looked into this, the deeper I searched, I discovered these connections that I would never have imagined.

    It turned out that German eugenicists were in continuing dialogue with American eugenicists. Books by American eugenicists were big sellers in Germany in the years leading up to the Third Reich. And then, of course, the Nazis needed no one to teach them how to hate. But what they did was they sent researchers to study America's Jim Crow laws. They actually sent researchers to America to study how Americans had subjugated African Americans, what would be considered the subordinated caste. And they actually debated and consulted American law as they were devising the Nuremberg Laws and as they were looking at those laws in the United States.

    They couldn't understand why, from their perspective, the group that they had identified as the subordinated caste was not recognized in the United States in the same way. So that was the unusual interconnectedness that I never would have imagined.

    On the Nazi reaction to America's "one drop rule," which maintained that a person with any amount of Black blood would be considered Black

    That idea of the one drop rule, that was viewed as too extreme to [the Nazis]. It was stunning to hear that. ... The Nazis, in trying to create their own caste system, what could be considered a caste system, went to great lengths to really think hard about who should qualify as Aryan, because they felt that they wanted to include as many people as they possibly could, ironically enough, and as they looked at the United States, it did not make sense to them that a single drop of Black blood would make someone Black, that they could not and did not accept. And in defining and creating their own hierarchy, they ended up coming up with a different configuration that actually encompassed more people into the Aryan side than would have been considered than the equivalent would have been in the United States.​
     
  13. vlaurelio

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    we all know Trump has only 1 shape

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. jiggyfly

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    So how do you fell about Cruz, Grahm or Rubio?
     
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  15. leroy

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    Then why does it matter now? Still voting for the top of the ticket just like every other presidential election. But you're making a deal out of it because of what? The former Attorney General of California and current Senator is certainly qualified for the position of Vice President...even if all that matters is that the person be 35, a natural born citizen who has lived in the US for at least 14 years, and have a pulse.
     
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    Looking at her father, you don’t see any white in him? Since her mother is a Caucasian according to the birth certificate, she’s more white than I am. Since I declared today is “ anyone can be black day”, she is black, I am black, you are black, the whole world is black. Thanks Miss Rachel Dolezal.
     
  17. deb4rockets

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    Trump's ideal America maybe.
     
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  18. generalthade_03

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    They can be hypocrite too but nowhere near the level of the left. The Dems take hypocrisy to the Asian level.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    White Conservatives are so weird. I'm looking at you Dinesh...

    In any case, I don't blame the mother for the "Aryan" title since again, The White Ruling Class were more openly bigoted at that time than they are now.

    Lying to get a leg up on life...Maybe I should write a NYT Bestseller about it called Art of the Steal...Best selling book since the Bible, but much biglier and better. Buy it now in bookstores or digital on Kindle. Art of the Steal. The Art of the Steal!!

    I might even have some "Divine Inspiration" writing it.

    You in?
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Just so everyone understands. This is how right wing trolls deflect from discussing actual policy.
     

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