Sources: Expect the NBA back playing by mid/late June with 10 reg season games before POs

A few corrections.

 

Time will tell how secure this bubble will be. The military has been utilizing a bubble for initial entry troops and there have still be some confirmed cases (and many more unconfirmed). The NBA is a much smaller organization. Hopefully they can get this done safely. I’d hate for someone around the league to become seriously ill or have long lasting negative health consequences because someone breaches the bubble or guidelines were ignored.

 

Reminds me of this movie.

 

Yes, a very smart person said that when it gets hot, the virus will disappear and there will be zero cases in the USA. Just wait for the weather to heat up and this virus will disappear.

This genius also said today that the AIDS vaccine has been invented. Magic must be happy to hear that



"President Donald Trump on Tuesday falsely suggested that scientists have developed a vaccine for AIDS, the late stage of HIV infection in which the virus badly damages the immune system.

“They’ve come up with the AIDS vaccine,” Trump said during a press conference on police reform, referring to scientists. “As you know, there’s various things, and now various companies are involved.”

Trump later said, “AIDS was a death sentence, and now people live a life with a pill. It’s an incredible thing.”

The White House did not respond to CNBC’s request for comment on Trump’s statement."

 

Agree:

Death rate in NYC peaked in April. This is potentially a much safer place than Florida now at least by the numbers. Florida test rate meanwhile is going up

Let's be honest, you have decided the NBA must restart as scheduled. And it's neither the hot weather, nor test rates nor a bubble nor any # of Faucii are going to make you change your mind.

 

Restarting the NBA is all about money and nothing else. If the NBA really wanted to do what is best for society they would put all games on hold until a vaccine is readily available to the majority of the population. But that could take many years.

 

Daryl Morey on First Things First

The NBA restart favors James Harden & Rockets the most

 

You realize the U.S. death rate has dropped significantly since early May, right? Not sure what you're trying to prove there. And U.S. new cases are flat to slightly down in that time period, despite testing being well up. Warmer weather and increased outdoor activity is almost certainly helping, but it's not going to be a cure all, especially if states are opening up and people are spending time together indoors (and without masks).

You've been incredibly swarmy and condescending to me for weeks in this thread, so it's quite ironic that you're now trying to portray me as the one whose mind is made up. Pot, meet kettle. You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's leave it at that.

 

Spoiler

The National Basketball Players Association on Tuesday sent all of its players a health and safety manual ahead of the resumption of the 2019-20 season on July 30 at Disney World near Orlando.

The NBPA informed its members of the following to start the memo: “It is critical that every player understand that he has the right to choose not to return to play. Any player who exercises this right will not be disciplined. To respect the decision of those who do return to play, it has been agreed that any player who chooses not to participate will have his compensation reduced by 1/92.6 for each game missed up to a cap of 14 games even his team plays more than 14 games in Orlando. There will be no other reductions of pay assessed (e.g., fines for missed practices) for a player’s decision not to return to play. Any player that wishes to exercise this right should notify his team of this election by June 24.”

The players union added that the manual is being created with guidance from the CDC, public health officials, and medical experts advising the NBA, the NBPA, and Disney; with consideration to similar protocols in other sports leagues, teams, and events; and in consultation with NBA players and teams.

NBA team executives and players across the league have been awaiting a formal packet of information of “Life inside the Bubble,” which The Athletic has obtained to provide a peek inside a potential four-month expedition for the eventual champion.

Below are highlights from the league memo, as presented by the NBPA:

Phase 1 (June 12-22)
Location: Players who are currently outside of the United States should have returned to their team’s home market by June 15 and all other players must return to their team’s home market by June 22 for mandatory testing beginning on June 23. The only exception is the Toronto Raptors who, due to quarantine and travel issues in Canada, will travel directly to Naples, Florida and use the Alico Arena in Florida Gulf Coast University as their practice facility.

– Players may work out at their team facility on a voluntary basis.

– Only individual workouts will be permitted and players must contact their team to schedule any workouts or treatment sessions.

-Teams may also conduct virtual workout sessions (e.g., via Zoom, FaceTime, Skype, etc.) that players would do from their homes.

– Once in market, players are expected to remain at home (with members of their household) and only leave for training or treatment at the team facility or essential activities (e.g., purchasing groceries).

– Anyone residing at a player’s household is asked to limit their travel and exposure to other people.

Phase 2 (June 23-30)
Location: Team practice facility (except for Toronto Raptors)

– Consistent with Phase 1, players are expected to remain at home with their household members, only leaving for essential activities.

– Teams will begin mandatory COVID-19 testing of all players and staff.

– Testing will consist of a shallow nasal swab and oral swab (COVID-19 PCR test) and a blood draw (serology/antibody test). The long (nasopharyngeal) swab that has been reported to cause discomfort will not be used.

– Players may also volunteer to participate in a Yale University study that has the goal of developing a saliva-based test for the coronavirus.

– If a player or a household member is feeling sick or has any symptoms associated with COVID-19, they must report symptoms to the team’s medical staff and follow the guidance provided by the staff. These symptoms include fever or chills, cough, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, fatigue, unusual muscle pain, headache, new loss of sense of taste or smell, sore throat, congestion or runny nose, nausea or vomiting, diarrhea, other flu like symptoms or dizziness.

Player nonparticipation:

– Non-participating players who are either “excused” or “protected” will not have their salary reduced as a result of their non-participation.

-The salary of any other player who chooses not to participate will be reduced by 1/92.6 for each game that the player misses, with a maximum reduction of 14/92.6.- “Protected Players” are those players whose team believes they are at a higher risk for severe illness from COVID-19. If his team does not designate the player as higher risk, a player may still be excused and not have his salary reduced

“Excused Players” are those players who a panel of three medical experts determines to have a higher risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

– If a player wishes to request to be “Excused,” he must notify his team and the NBPA no later than June 25.

Phase 3 (July 1-9/10/11)
Location: Team practice facility (except for Toronto Raptors)

– Individual workouts mandatory for all players.

– Group workouts are still prohibited for medical reasons and no more than eight players will be permitted in the team’s facility at any one time.

– Head coaches may now participate in and observe individual workouts.

 

Spoiler

Phase 4.A (July 7-11)
Location: NBA Campus at Walt Disney World

– Teams will take either a chartered flight or bus to Orlando on a staggered basis over July 7 through 9 to begin team activities.

– Upon arrival, players and team staff must stay isolated in their rooms until they return two negative PCR tests at least 24 hours apart.

– Players will have the option to wear a proximity alarm that will notify a player if he spends more than 5 seconds within 6 feet of another person on campus who is also wearing an alarm.

– All team and league staff (potentially excluding referees) must wear the alarm; it is optional for players.

– Certain Disney staff will not be required to reside at the NBA Campus and will not undergo coronavirus testing, however they will be screened each day on campus to take their temperature and for symptoms.

– Everyone on the NBA Campus will be required to wear a facemask at all times, except when eating, in their individual rooms, during a workout or while engaged in a physical activity outdoors that is not within 6 feet of another person (e.g., swimming, reading a book alone).

– Physical distancing protocol of 6 feet or more should be respected at all times except during team workouts and when team health and performance staff is working with a player.

– Players will also have the option of wearing an Oura smart ring that may help with the early detection of the coronavirus and will track temperature, respiratory and heart rate, and other measures.

– Effective on July 7, random anti-drug testing will resume but only for SPEDs and Diuretics. No testing will be done for recreational substances, but players remain subject to discipline for possession or use of prohibited recreational substances. (Note: Note: Recreational use of mar1juana is NOT legal in the State of Florida.)

Phase 4.B (July 9/10/11 – July 21)
Location: NBA Campus at Walt Disney World

– Teams may engage in group workouts, practices, weight training, meetings and other team activities.

– In addition to group workouts, players will be permitted to conduct individual off and on-court workouts or drills, under the supervision of team staff.

– COVID-19 testing will continue with regular PCR testing, daily temperature checks, symptom surveys and pulse oximetry (finger clip device to measure oxygen levels) screening.

– At all times on the court, players must avoid, spitting or clearing their nose, wiping the ball with their jersey, licking their hands, and unnecessarily touching their mouthguard.

– After the initial self-isolation through July 21, players may eat meals and participate in social activities (ping-pong, golf, video games, card games, etc.) only with individuals residing within their hotel, provided that they maintain physical distancing.

– Until July 21, players are requested to have only brief interactions with players residing in other hotels that are encountered in common areas of the NBA Campus.

– Any meal eaten with a player on another team must be eaten outside.

– Players are not permitted to enter each other’s hotel rooms due to infection concerns.

– Disney chefs will prepare daily meals and there will also be a room service option. Subject to a few exceptions, food deliveries from outside of the NBA Campus are not permitted.

– At his own expense, a player is permitted to hire a personal chef located outside of the NBA Campus to prepare and send food into the NBA Campus on a daily basis.

– No one will be prevented from leaving the NBA Campus, but the expectation is that all players will remain on the campus.

– The NBA Campus includes the several hotels housing players and staff, the Wide World of Sports complex, separate practice courts, and various other auxiliary sites established like a golf course or medical facility.

– If a player leaves without prior approval, upon re-entry, he will be subject to enhanced testing (including nasopharyngeal (deep nasal) swab testing), a 10-14 day self-quarantine period, and a reduction in compensation for any game in which he is unable to play as a result of his absence from campus

Phase 5 (July 22-29)
Location: NBA Campus at Walt Disney World

– Teams will play three scrimmage games against other NBA teams residing in their same hotel.

– From July 22 until the end of the 2019-20 season, players are permitted to socialize with players and team staff from hotels other than the one in which they are residing. As before, players are not permitted to enter each other’s hotel rooms due to infection concerns.

Phase 6 (July 30-Oct. 13)
Location: NBA Campus at Walt Disney World

– Teams will play 8 “seeding” games to conclude the 2019-20 regular season, followed by a play-in tournament (if necessary) for the 8th seed in each conference, and the traditional 16-team, 4-round, 7-game NBA Playoffs.

– Upon completion of each team’s season, the team will immediately depart the NBA Campus.

– For each player to leave the NBA Campus, he must have returned a negative PCR result within 24 hours of his scheduled departure.

Player Guests:

– Each team that advances past the first round of the playoffs will be permitted to reserve up to 17 (if the team brings 17 players and down to 15 if it brings only 15 players) guest rooms for guests of players on the NBA Campus.

– Players are responsible for the cost of each hotel room used for a player guest; the costs of meals and testing for Player Guests will not be charged to players.

– All player guests must undergo 3 days of self-quarantine and testing either in a house or hotel in the team’s home market or in Orlando outside of the NBA Campus.

– Assuming that the player guest does not return a positive PCR test, then the Player Guest may then come to the NBA Campus, but must remain in quarantine for 4 days after arrival while having COVID-19 testing each of those days.

– Agents are not eligible, unless he or she is a family member of a player.

– Player guests who leave the NBA Campus will not be permitted to return.

 

Nice and detailed.

 

Uh...have you seen the news lately? Either you haven't or you're being extremely disingenuous. The US national numbers are coming down to extreme measures in hard hit areas like NYC.

Regional numbers tell a different story, from a plateau to acceleration in Sunbelt areas or other areas that avoided the worst of the spring, Arkansas, Arizona and Florida, where the bubble is being among them.

See the post that you decided to start up this bubble battle with by quoting, for example.

Edit, or since we're quoting the same people

Listen I'd like nothing better to say "it's all over let's move on, April is " but the whole premature reopening bullshit - which the NBA is playing a part in, is not only already costing lives and money but is an insult to people who sacrficed so much voluntarily earlier this year. It's a waste. They're not playing for George Floyd or systemic racism, they're trying to rush something out to fulfill a TV contract. We failed as a country.

The NBA isn't helping, and like I said earlier by choosing a public health laggard as their staging ground, they're at risk of paying the price.

 

lets play whose hotel would you like to hang out at

 

The U.S. as a whole is massive. Until there's a vaccine, there are almost always going to be some places going down as others go up. I was referring to the overall U.S. numbers because that's what was cited in that May 4 post that you quoted. In other words, trying to make it an apples to apples comp, since that's what you brought up.

The other issue, I doubt that we're talking about the identical hot spots six weeks from now, when the NBA starts. It's hard to feel secure in any one area for an extended period, so that's why they're doing the bubble with rigid rules.

On your latter point, if you view the NBA opening up in a bubble environment with extensive health protocols (signed off on by Fauci) more than four months after the outbreak started as contributing to a premature opening... I dunno what else to say. I don't know how conditions can reasonably be expected to get much better until there's a vaccine, and I'm not willing to give up that much for that length of time in terms of quality of life. I'll wear a mask, gloves, and take numerous precautions, but for me, the rest is too much.

It's not over, but we're just not going to agree. That's what I mean by leave it at that. We're each just banging our head against a wall, at this point.

 

Shams is in his bag today

 

Table tennis.