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Mike Flynn...what's the deal?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by B@ffled, Apr 30, 2020.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    He got a better *wink wink deal from scummy Barr and corrupt Trump.

    It's amusing watching you conservatives act different towards white collar crime.....
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    It only became material after the fact.....

    LOL. How do you think cases are built? Why is your boy Trump crying to the Supreme Court to hide the Mueller grand jury..... what's he hiding?
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Redacted, huh?


     
  4. Rocket River

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    If Biden is elected. . . what will he do about it. . . . NOTHING and that is the worse part of all this
    There is NO AVENUE for justice for any of these organized criminals

    Rocket River
     
  5. Nook

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    A couple of points.

    First a 302 is not the actual hand written interview notes. A 302 (which I am very familiar with) is a official summary or the conversation between the FBI agents and the person being interviewed. It is NOT unusual for there to be drafts before a final 302 is submitted.

    We have the actual interview notes from the agents.

    Second the federal government informing Flynn that they may pursue charges against his son is not illegal nor is it immoral if there is a valid claim to charge as there was in this case.

    Third, Flynn was represented by a competent attorney. He was asked multiple times by a Republican appointed Judge if he intended to plead guilty to the charges and he said yes every time. This went on through 2018. He plead guilty to two crimes. A Republican appointed Judge admonished him that his crimes were serious. Only after the fact did he decide to change his mind. He never contested that the 302 was inaccurate before his plea.

    This type of thing happens all the time in federal cases.
     
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    Doctor Tal. Shut down before his nonsense could begin.
     
  7. Nook

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    You are funny. Charges are being dropped because of William Barr.... who was appointed by President Trump.... to clean up the mistakes the President makes.
     
  8. Nook

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    This is false.

    The FBI was running a counterintelligence investigation into ANY connection between Russian political officials and the Trump campaign.

    Flynn’s lies inhibited the FBI from obtaining critical information and raised the issue of why he was lying and influenced the investigation.

    That is textbook material in a case.

    While the position of Barr is interesting and likely is persuasive to someone seeking confirmation bias, it doesn’t hold up to anyone that is objective and that practices regularly in federal court.
     
  9. Nook

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    This goes well beyond that. I don’t like the “sky is falling” mentality but this is a very big deal. For the first time the AG has unabashedly used the DOJ as a surrogate instrument of a President in the open and without fear of consequence. This has set a blue print for all future Presidents (regardless of party) to do the same thing and not fear impeachment or removal from office.

    This is going to get worse in our lifetime because some future President will push the envelope even further.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    This shouldn't be a partisan thing.

    When a nation follows the rule of law and witnesses the very top undermining institutions without meaningful reform or permanence, that sets the table for everyone else under to do the same.

    The Obama administration was not perfect but they tried to handle things with that continuity in mind. It did not eliminate graft nor corruption but it didn't blatantly flaunt it either.

    There are no moral or hereditary mandates to claim this happens once as a mistake. Democracy just dies away while the people do whatever it takes to get theirs.

    Dangerous precedence, but we're too busy pointing fingers without doing anything solid
     
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    The most crooked of all is you Mr. Trump! If we filled buckets of all the lies that pour out of your mouth we could stretch them from the White House to your border wall with ease.


     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/attorn...care-and-coronavirus-restrictions-transcript/

    whole interview with Barr is a must read, Comey mad with power, operating at J Edgar Hoover levels, and he had staffed the FBI with similar types (McCabe, Strozk)


     
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  13. seemoreroyals

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    The deal is that this is just another brick in the wall. Trump's wall of deceit, dishonesty, and corruption. Shame on this president. But he has no shame. I guess there is no limit that narcissists will go to keep themselves at the center of attention whether the actions be good or bad. Meanwhile Rome continues to burn while the emperor has no clothes and our great country is getting diminished by trump's rash judgments, hunches, and gut feelings.
     
  14. B@ffled

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    Everything Barr said in that interview is what has been coming out in the media that is willing to report it.

    it was important that he was trapped into lying because when he became the National Security Advisor he would come to know about the investigation into Trumps team and learn about the false pretense to keep it extended and shut it down. They had to get rid of him. “What’s the goal here...’. It’s written in the notes.

    Everyone is down with using the intelligence agencies, FBI and DOJ as a political tool? It was ok to use the IRS to target conservatives? More will come out too. Sally Yates learned about the investigation from Obama himself. No wonder there’s redactions. The explanation of the redactions was ‘protect the executive branch’. At the time Trump wasn’t in the office or was just getting in. The big O knew and condoned what was going on.
     
  15. Commodore

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    No, (1) the FBI had a transcript of the call and knew Flynn knew they had a transcript of the call, (2) there was nothing wrong with the substance of the call and (3) It was completely legitimate and normal for an incoming national security advisor to have a call with a foreign counterpart. Sally Yates said as much, but Comey went around her.

    Barr talks about what Comey did (similar to Clinton email case where Comey went around DoJ)

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/attorn...care-and-coronavirus-restrictions-transcript/

    Incidentally, I find it disturbing that the FBI "listens to everything" and that doesn't get much notice.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    The rule of law...... no longer exists
    We are not a nation of laws
    We are a nation of selective law enforcement based on a socio-economic caste system


    Rocket River
     
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  17. dobro1229

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    I'm not so sure that Biden will be much more than a figurehead, and final sign off on many of the action items coming from people that I absolutely have faith will go HARD on these folks on the right with whom the rules did not apply to when Trump was in power.

    I also think you'll see SEVERAL special counsels appointed by the AG to give an extra arm length of independence given to prosecutors pursuing any politically grounded cases.

    If this was Biden 12 years ago I would agree with you. Right now the Democratic party is really led by the Progressives first, and even in the non-progressives, you will have a party full of guys like Adam Schiff who have been having to sit on a pile of corruption that they could do nothing about because of Bill Barr.

    I respectfully disagree with your statement here, and have a bit more hope in a Biden presidency... not because of Biden but because of where 99% of the party is now.
     
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  18. rocketsjudoka

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    The most telling thing about the Barr interview is when he said "The winners write history." That should tell you all you need to know about how much you should take Barr's statements as principled.
     
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  19. dobro1229

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    He really said that!?! WTF.

    So he's basically saying, yeah I did it, but I have the power to wave a magic wand because we will stay in power long enough to make you forget.

    What an ass. The universe has no justice if this man does not end up humiliated and in jail.
     
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  20. Ottomaton

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    Based on the responses on right wing media its pretty clear this is for making voters on the right not question whether they are the baddies.

    Another example of a separate concentual reality for a speciality crowd on the right. The problem is theres no middle ground - theres the Commodore/B@ffled set who see this as total vindication and then theres everybody else who sees something 180° away.

    This is another move for the 33% that would never switch sides anyway.
     
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