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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Cokebabies

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    Apparently we have enough in Washington where we can just fire doctors who complain about a lack of safety gear.

    An emergency room physician who publicly decried what he called a lack of protective measures against the novel coronavirus at his workplace, PeaceHealth St. Joseph Medical Center, has been fired. Ming Lin, who has worked at the hospital for 17 years and became a local cause célèbre for his pleas for more safety equipment and more urgent measures to protect staff, was informed of his termination as he was preparing for a shift at the hospital Friday afternoon, he said.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...itals-coronavirus-protections-has-been-fired/
     
  2. Major

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    But that's not how deaths are being recorded in any of the numbers you're seeing.
     
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    Yeah right.
    We had also some posters here saying that the Japanese are impervious to viruses even though they were going to work sick, had no tests and they were packing the metro. Looks now like Tokyo will be locked down.

    Sweden is a prime example where complacency, arrogance, exceptionalism and a blind trust to the authorities leads to disaster.

    "While every other country in Europe has been ordered into ever more stringent coronavirus lockdown, Sweden has remained the exception. Schools, kindergartens, bars, restaurants, ski resorts, sports clubs, hairdressers: all remain open, weeks after everything closed down in next door Denmark and Norway.
    Universities have been closed, and on Friday, the government tightened the ban on events to limit them to no more than 50 people. But if you develop symptoms, you can still go back to work or school just two days after you feel better. If a parent starts showing symptoms, they’re allowed to continue to send their children to school."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...der-lockdown-sweden-keeps-calm-and-carries-on

    yup. The only places to take the deaths at face value is some small nations like Iceland, Singapore , Taiwan.

    I worry the most right now about Turkey.
    They have only like 110 deaths but there are videos of people fainting in the streets,
    opening mass graves in the woods with hundreds of coffins
    and from today every major city is effectively cut down with no way to leave.
    Istanbul has 13 million people.

    We used to laugh at the Turks who instead of buying antiseptics were lining up to buy lemon cologne. But it is not funny.
    This is another Iran in the making.
     
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  4. Gabe0941

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    So when are we peaking? Two-four weeks from now?
     
  5. malakas

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    America is rich so they can hire them from other countries.
    Fast track nursing and medical students. They will only have to deal with one kind of case anyway

    Remember after the first wave there will be a second wave in Oct-November
     
  6. daywalker02

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    What if there is a chick or egg first question.

    Someone dies of Covid and heart attack.......did the heart attack come first or was it Corona induced?

    Was Corona a byproduct or the real cause......

    How would you categorize those deaths? I do not think it is clear in each case.
     
  7. malakas

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    There's new findings also about people with respiratory problems having heart attacks. Not only pneumonia.
     
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  8. Cokebabies

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    This depends on what city you are in. NYC is maybe 2-4 weeks away. The problem is people from NYC who are infected for example, are fleeing to other places like Florida and helping to bring the spread elsewhere. The US govt should ban interstate travel and domestic flights for 30 days except for essential needs if we want to rip the band aid off, and then to isolate and screen hot spots like NYC/NJ after that. The way things are currently being run, you are most likely going to see peaks all over the country for the next few months (or more) as the virus jumps and breaks out in various cities. There is much we can learn from South Korea's (massive testing) and China's (hard lockdowns) approaches and we are doing neither.
     
  9. malakas

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    Here because we are still in the beginning they test every death at this point. We also put a stroke victim who also happened to have covid19 as an official victim.
    But later, we will not do that.

    But as I said in my post above heart attack is now found to be a cod rightfully attributed to covid-19.
     
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  10. Gdaliya

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    I don't know if your'e talking about this case:
    https://www.hln.be/in-de-buurt/zute...tief-kerngezond-en-toch-gebeurt-dit~acc0fd05/
    A healthy 30 year old women died from the virus and they say that it affected her heart.
    It was also very quick in her case, diagnosed in tuseday and died on friday night.
     
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  11. malakas

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    Very sad.
    Not only this, remember one case doesn't make a rule.
    There have been observed cases all over the world of people having heart attacks due to covid19.
    Now pericarditis is officially one of the complications.
     
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    Ugh cdc....still doesn’t mean you can’t wear a mask guys
     
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    Ha!
     
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    They can be but it's not recommended and especially not for many many times. If people are going to reuse masks it shouldn't be healthcare professionals or first responders. They are the frontline and should have the access to the best protection.
     
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    That makes sense. If you can't breathe properly it will cause more stress on your heart.
     
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    Turkey is relatively affluent compared to many other countries. I heard from an aid group that I used to volunteer with that they are seeing COVID 19 in Haiti now. In a place that can't stop Cholera this will be devastating. Let's not forget all those other Third World countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America.
     
  18. malakas

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    so what can we do when we are dying ourselves without basic equipment?
    Here countries don't even help their neighbour, ally and "friend" Italy ...who will help Haiti?

    The only consoling thing is the demographics.
     
  19. Two Sandwiches

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    A guy from my small town of 5,000 or so people got back from NYC with his 3 kids recently. Immediately sent them to say care without telling day care. Day care found out through the grapevine like 4 days later and kicked the kids out.

    This is a town with one grocery store. Two or three restaurants that are actually open, etc. This is how these things easily spread. Rinse and repeat.
     
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    I think he created unnecessarily drama , distraction ,not many would like to work with him

    I understand the sympathy but what took place was an inappropriate action.Tons of internal email , town halls in hospitals, heath facilities asking or feedback ,explaining proper channels of communications , contingency plans, progress and such...since Mid January

    when you hear something like : I've donated medical supplies to hospitals , or we reuse masks and ppe , more likely, its result of imagination (who want supplies from un-known source !) , any facility in North America that may warn of short supplies means : after 3-6 months anticipation or we need extra Money , quite frankly the opposite is taking place: hospital has more supplies than ever needed

    are there enough medical staffs!
    sign up sheet for optional deployments suggest sufficiency in this area
     

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