Trae young, best passer of his draft class ?

Why there is no defensive pressure on the pointguards/ballhandlers(in this case Trae) in current NBA, especially when they are as skinny as Trae? Defenders just stand on 3point line and ball-watch..

 

I don't have all the analytics on this, but I think James Harden would like a word with you.

 

Young is the most overrated player in the NBA today. Reminds me of the time everyone was sucking of Kyrie Irving as he collected top picks in Cleveland year after year. Dude's a stat padder at this point even when he goes off for 40 pts his team gets hammered by 20.

 

Some of Young's stats definitely come from garbage minutes. Especially the game against New York was shameless statpadding.

All-Star starter that can't get his team out of last place of Eastern Conference? Especially when Atlanta's leadership declared before the season that they have a better team than last year.

Don't get me wrong, Young is offensively supremely gifted. I don't want to take anything away from him from that side of the court. But because of his nonexistent defense, he needs a defensive team around him ala Celtics with IT a few years back. Unfortunately, most of Hawks' players can't guard a chair. Even then, they have no excuse to be worse than NYK or Cleveland.

 

I don't understand this line of thinking, at all.

If you're a young player whose team doesn't have any championship aspirations, how do you make yourself stand out in order to get in the spotlight so that you can get big money when you need to sign a contract extension?

Answer: you try to get stats, even if they're 'empty' ones.

Also, the Kyrie Irving example is bad. Cleveland was doing nothing to help out Kyrie. And sure, they won a title as soon as LeBron came back, but LeBron is the best player of our generation, so you can't exactly fault Kyrie, pre-LeBron.

 

Brooklyn has been very happy with Kyrie.

 

I'm not hammering the young player for getting stats, I'm just saying he is overrated and not very good (yet). In the future he may be good but right now he isnt so he doesnt deserve the hype cuz what he is doing doesnt translate to wins he is just padding his stats.

Lebron is a good example he didnt get any support from his team like Kyrie or Trae Young. He was rolling around with Darius Miles and Desagana Diop his rookie year and they almost made the playoffs by winning 35 games. That's the diff between a rookie worth the hype and somebody overrated. I mean the fact that TraeYoung is an all star over Oladipo and Jaylen Brown and is a starter over Jayson Tatum just shows how overrated he is due to his stat padding. If you gave all 4 of these the exact same team and had them do a round robin tournament Young's team ends up last every time.

 

I doubt it. It's more like Brooklyn is stuck with Kyrie. I'm sure next season will be a lot better, though.

LeBron isn't a good example, because he's LeBron. If you compare every top-5 pick rookie and their subsequent career trajectory with LeBron, most of them would pale in comparison. Young also wasn't as hyped as LeBron, coming out of Oklahoma.

And Oladipo shouldn't be anywhere near the ASG - he's just come back from injury...and he's playing like it (2-14 from 3, 6-31 overall). Besides, being an all-star doesn't always mean you're one of the league's best players. And, as a fan, I'd personally rather see Young play his game over Brown and Tatum.

 

He is pretty hyped now in the East thats why he is an allstar as a 2nd year player. You are right Lebron is in a class of his own, thats why Young shouldnt get as much hype as he does cuz he sucks.

 

Why do you doubt it? I'm a Nets fan and am very happy he's on the team. The only thing I haven't liked is that he's missed a bunch of games because of injury. I've been to a half-dozen games at Barclay Center this season and the fans are definitely into him.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/1/16/21068905/kyrie-irving-brooklyn-nets-trade-comments-controversy-kevin-durant
^ The fact that he STILL doesn't know how to speak his mind in a leadership role

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/nets-record-without-kyrie-irving-off-to-troubling-start-in-brooklyn-01dzmgp1k05h

^ The fact that they might not need him.

They were 13-15 in the games that Kyrie didn't play. Since that article on 1/26, they've played another without him (the most recent one against the Suns) and they won that game too...so they're 14-15 without Kyrie in the lineup.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, but I don't think the Nets are head over heels for Kyrie. But they made their bed when they signed him - now they have to lie in it.

 

I think these articles aren't written by anyone who actually follows the Nets. They seem to be trying to stir up controversy where no controversy exists. Again, I'm a fan and follow the team pretty closely, and none of this stuff is actually anything that real Nets fans actually worry about.

 

The first thing I posted was literally a quote from Kyrie. Dude knows an interview is coming, knows the microphone is in front of his face, and knows that whatever he says will be transcribed and/or broadcasted. It's not like he was caught by surprise.

The second thing I posted is pure numbers.

Of course Nets fans aren't worried. This year means nothing to them. Facing adversity is fine and all, when you're not expected to compete for anything. But just last year in Boston, where that team was expected to make a lot of noise in the playoffs, there have definitely been questions about Kyrie's leadership or lackthereof.

 

yes, it was a quote from Kyrie followed by a ton of speculative nonsense trying to spin it as something some of his teammates might be upset about. He said what everyone in Brooklyn knows...that even with Durant coming back, they will need more...either someone else stepping up big time or brining another player in. The important thing is that Kyrie and Durant have bought into Kenny Atkinson, and as long as that stays true, the Nets organization, players and fans will all be good with Kyrie.

 

Some time ago, I would have said that Doncic is the superior passer. But now that I have more data available, I'd say they're pretty close. Doncic can do some things that Young simply wouldn't be able to, and vice versa, Young can pull off some stuff that Doncic can't. Still, I think Luka's passing would translate better to the playoff-style basketball.

P.S. It's becoming hard to deny that Young is the superior jumpshooter out of the two though.