It's Time For Trump To Provide the Proof

Are you really setting the bar for politicians this low? You're better than that.

 

He's not setting the bar at Trump. He's pointing out the double standard by his many apologists on this message board which you aren't .

And no, Warren does not lie anywhere near Trump's level.

And at worst this is Warren believing her parents and being gullible. She didn't use her claimed heritage for career advancement. This has been proven many times. It's just regurgitated by the same types of people such as Trump who consistently lies as you state.

 

I think that's not significantly different than most Democrats, they'd literally vote for anyone other than Trump. Get Kim Jong-un to run, Democrats would support changing the constitution so they could vote for him over Trump.....it's just where they are right now.

 

If, as other posters put it, she had simply backtrack and said it was a misunderstanding, she would have gained some respect. Instead she continues to proceed with this narrative. No, she did not claim to be Cherokee. The point the Cherokee Nation is trying to make is they have their own bylaws, not just some DNA test. As others have put it, this is cultural appropriation at its finest and most offensive. Now if you're someone like myself who doesnt care about all that nonsense, that is fine. However the party of equality and respect should be.

The bigger problem is Trumpism. It terrible. Its awful. Its disrespectful to this country. Its an art he has perfected. And the liberals are starting to adopt his style. And that is despicable.

 

Why do you think that’s the case?

 

You are being willfully ignorant.

Its not ok for any politician to lie. Period. Stop using Trump as an excuse for your party to be a POS like he is.

I have no idea where this is coming from. Nobody has implied this.

I have no idea if she has used it for her career advancement. Nobody is faulting her for believing her parents. She isn't gullible for believing her parents. She is being criticized for not back tracking the statement and instead keeps up with the narrative.

 

Ya, I still see this as Nook pointing out a double standard given the fact I don't think she liked and Nook believes so also hence it's pointing out a double standard.

There is no excuse here. We aren't excusing her of lying. We would have to believe she lied in the first place for that.

 

Well because her "Native" DNA is only very small traces, it's very possible that they wouldn't have even been picked up by the companies like 23andme or AncestryDNA. In fact, if you get your DNA analyzed by both you are likely to get different results when it comes to the small traces of DNA.....and incredibly small traces is all they have to work with when looking for Native DNA when you are potentially talking about 1/512 or 1/1024ths Native.

I mean, just look at those expressed as percentages, It's not easy to pick up on the 0.195% to 0.097% of Native DNA that you are looking for.

 

1. In the video released by Warren she specifically states she is not a member of the Cherokee nation and isn't trying to be one.
2. She never used any kind of Native American heritage to get a job.
3. After she already had the job and was filling out an informational sheet she wrote about her family's native American connection.

I posted something similar before viewing this. I apologize and wasn't trying to steal your valid arguments.

 

If Trump found out he was native american he would take advantage and build more casinos

 

That would be valid if she claimed she was a member of the Cherokee nation. In her video released with these tests results, she specifically says that she is not claiming membership into the Cherokee nation.

Regarding your other point, it isn't good for any politician to lie whether it is Trump or Warren. But it also isn't good for Trump supporters to only care about politicians of the opposite party telling the truth when Trump lies more than all of the Democratic potential candidates put together.

If Warren is running against Trump they won't be able to bring up lying as an issue. That isn't excusing Warren or anyone else being dishonest, it is simply pointing out that it won't be an issue in the election because of Trump's far greater level of dishonesty.

 

If Warren is running against Trump, and the DNC allows her to win the nomination, then they just re-elected Trump.

 

lol...you could just as easily switch out democrat for republican and trump for hillary on that that one! even then it would still be made up silliness.

meanwhile, back in the real world donald trump actually got "conservatives" to become pro-tariff and protectionist trade policies, pro-russian, pro-deficit (to be fair, republicans already were) and anti POW...remember, trump said POWs are not heroic b/c they were captured...and so-called pro-military conservatives LOVED IT!

he got "family values christians" to support someone who attacked the pope, publicly mocked a disabled person, bragged about cheating on all his wives, payed off a p*rn start that he screwed and also were ok with him lying about it.

 

Holy ****, talk about being BTFO


"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

- Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.


If this wack job was a male Republican she would be called all kinds of bigot.

 

Screw you. I watched it live. I have no need to lie when your political arguments are as weak as your grasp of the English language.

You're seeing the 5 second sound bite that the media has been floating around today without the footage before or after that.

Here is the footage in full. As I said, it is a complete mischaracterization. He was bragging about what he might do if debating Fauxcahontas. She is not running for president at this time, nor debating Trump.

I await your apology.

 

Im not sure if anyone is accusing her of lying. Im certainly not.
I am not accusing her of claiming to be Cherokee nor is anyone else. The Cherokee Nation appears to be offended by Warrens cultural appropriation.
What you are doing is creating false narratives to distract the issue at hand. The narrative is Warren claimed to be of native american decent and took Trump on his offer for a 1 million dollar donation if she can prove she is native american. Warren has demanded Trump to pay up, which implies she is still claiming she is part native american. Again, cultural appropriation. This is extremely irresponsible of her.

As to your other point, I dont care about Trump supporters. I dont care about Trump. What I care about is who will be on the ticket in 2020. Are the Democrats going to put a respectful politician on the ticket or are they going to simply put "someone who isn't as bad" as Trump? Right now it doesn't look promising. Liberals may as well put HIllary back on the ticket with how they have been acting the last two years.

 

Because if she had, she would not have hired an "expert" to do a deep dive analysis in an attempt to extrapolate the slightest trace of non-white markers. If you're dealing with markers this minute, it's highly likely to be noise. There is an incredible amount of variance with the reference populations each tester uses.

 

Warren's test proves she had a Native American ancestor. Claiming that doesn't meet the challenge from Trump about the DNA test is at best foggy. It isn't clear cut except to Trump supporters.

Claiming that this non-substantive issue would demote her into a "someone who isn't as bad as Trump" is a huge stretch. She has defended middle-class Americans and consumers with her work in the Senate. She has shown that she is willing to take on Big finance with her roasting of the corrupt Wells Fargo questioning. She has an actual record of accomplishment and service on which to run. Making a claim that Trump should pay up for his wager doesn't downgrade her to simply "someone who isn't as bad as Trump". That is a ridiculous claim to make.

 

are you implying that donald trump is a "respectful politician"?