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Man doesn't follow police commands, gets popped after reaching into car in Tulsa

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    Everybody repeat after me: Follow.police.commands.and.you.won't.get.shot.

    The article says that Crutcher didn't follow police commands, and the police even tried to taze him first, before Crutcher foolishly reached inside his vehicle, which was a threat to police.

    ..but I'm sure we'll hear from our friends at BLM in order to divide everybody on this incident.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terence-crutcher-tulsa-man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-no-gun-chief-says/

    TULSA, Okla. -- A black man fatally shot by a white Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer responding to a stalled vehicle had no weapon on him or in his SUV, the city’s police chief said Monday.

    An investigation is underway into Friday’s shooting death of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said, just before the department released dashcam footage of the shooting.
    “We will achieve justice in this case,” Jordan said.

    Meanwhile, a federal prosecutor says the U.S. Department of Justice has opened a civil rights investigation into the shooting.

    Authorities said the shooting occurred after an officer stopped to investigate a vehicle in the middle of a road. Police said Crutcher approached after officers arrived to assist. Police investigators said Crutcher refused several orders to show his hands and when he reached back into his car one officer deployed a Taser while another officer fired one shot, reports CBS affiliate KOTV.

    The video shows Crutcher with his hands in the air as officers direct him to walk towards a vehicle, which is stopped in the middle of the road, and place his hands on it. At one point he’s seen lowering one hand and he’s surrounded by police officers, making it harder to see his actions from the police dashboard camera’s angle. Police also released helicopter footage of the incident, but his movements are obscured by the car in that footage.

    Crutcher can be seen dropping to the ground.

    Someone on the police radio says, “I think he may have just been Tasered.” One of the officers near Crutcher backs up slightly.

    Then almost immediately, someone can be heard saying, “Shots fired.” Crutcher’s head then drops, leaving him lying motionless.

    After that a voice can be heard on the police radio saying, “Shots fired. We have one suspect down.”
     
    #1 bigtexxx, Sep 19, 2016
  2. HamJam

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    That's not true:

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    And those are just the ones we have on video, not all the ones where the cop's side of the story doesn't happened to be contradicted with recorded evidence, and so it is just believed prima facie .
     
    #2 HamJam, Sep 19, 2016
  3. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    ^^

    You clearly didn't watch Crutcher's video. You have to admit that not following police commands increases your chance of getting popped. They even tried to taze Crutcher first.
     
    #3 bigtexxx, Sep 19, 2016
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    Nah. That cop woke up today and said, "I feel like killing someone today. Better yet, I feel like killing a black man. Hopefully I pull one over! Im done with my current well being and dont care to see my family anymore."
     
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    I watched it. I'm not saying Crutcher wasn't disobeying police commands or that not doing so led to them dying (though, why cops used a gun in this case instead of a taser I do not understand at all, and think was very irresponsible).

    My point wasn't about Crutcher, it was about your statement that cops won't shoot you if you follow their orders. It simply isn't true, as my post demonstrates.
     
    #5 HamJam, Sep 19, 2016
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    They did try a taser first
     
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    Very good, I'll keep that in mind as I continue to read about the case as more information comes out.

    But, I'll reiterate, the point of my thread wasn't about Crutcher, it was about your statement that cops won't shoot you if you obey their commands. They'll shoot you less often, sure -- but, apparently, they might still shoot you
     
    #7 HamJam, Sep 19, 2016
  8. Sadat X

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    If you are outraged about this video, put yourself in this position really quick. If you wake up to a stranger in your home and you have a gun (you dems just pretend, I know guns are just nasty to yall) and you have the gun pointed at the person but they keep moving towards their large bag across the room. Keep in mind, you are fearing for your life, and are telling this person to stop, but they keep going for that bag. You are going to assume they are going for a weapon. What does your instinct say? Shoot before they get theirs. You dont know what is in that bag! Doesnt matter if they didnt have a weapon.

    So in this case, the guy does in fact have his hands up but he is set on getting to his car, even though the officers have him at gun point, telling him to stop. Not sure if he actually was able to reach into his car but it looked like he got pretty damn close. Officers had no choice.

    I dont like that he was shot dead, though. I wish he were disabled by them in a way that was effective (taser was not) but not lethal.
     
    #8 Sadat X, Sep 19, 2016
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    No....its the ****ing shoot first, ask questions later mode Police go to when they see a black or brown person.
     
    #9 Mr.Scarface, Sep 19, 2016
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    Aaaaand the racial pity party he begun
     
    #10 bigtexxx, Sep 19, 2016
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    You created this thread with the intention of it turning out this way.
     
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    Classic texx trolling this is a case in which there was a over reaction by the cops there was no need to shoot him if he was already being tased the officer may have shot him by accident there was very little time that passed before she shot him.
     
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    I must say . . for a long time you tip toed the line
    I at least thought you tried . . a little
    but now
    YEa. . . . . you are what I think you are
    Here's your hood

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    Rocket River
    I am done.
     
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    From initially watching the video, I couldn't tell why they had weapons drawn on him or why he was tasered/shot. Was he a suspect in a crime? All I could find is that his car stalled in the road. Did police have any reason to believe he was violent?
     
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    It looks like he was tazed because he lowered his hand and then shot... on the ground.
     
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    apparently he abandoned his car on the road because he thought it was going to explode then ran away from it. Witnesses called the police. This is him returning to the car. Apparently he was shot with his hands up on the roof of his car but of course it is early so the facts are blurry still.

    what's clear is that bigtexxx has an agenda to put his spin and make believe on this. It's really sad, and I do think shows he is in fact racially biased against blacks. This place is a true ****hole.
     
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    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ice-shooting-of-unarmed-19-year-old-in-fresno

    White 19 year-old mal shot to death in broad daylight for exiting his vehicle during a traffic stop.

    Oh no, all my biases are confirmed.
     
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    He wasn't obeying police orders and he kept heading to his vehicle. Cops are paranoid about that because they don't know what you have in your vehicle. There's plenty of videos of cops getting shot that start out very similar only as soon as they get to their car they pull a gun.

    It really just comes down to the very simple "Do what cops say"

    The guy who fired the shot is probably going to get fired, but no charges will be filed because no crime was committed.
     
    #20 Bobbythegreat, Sep 19, 2016
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