Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

I think it's important to note that "American" culture is the dominant culture and anything based on race or gender would be a subculture. There's a suburban subculture, there's a rural subculture there's an "inner city" subculture....there are subcultures for different races and ethnicities (which you don't even have to be a member of).

 

Well most blacks feel targeted by police. Are you saying most blacks are criminals?

 

I don't find that Africans and African Americans are two different races. They're the same race with dramatically different cultures.

 

You are being obtuse. Chris Rock is not my "source". I used him as an example that the line of thinking in Black culture is common enough to where everybody gets exactly what he's talking about.

Here are a few of articles about this very thing... the idea that permeates the Black community that being educated means "acting white". There are literally thousands of articles on this I could post. But here's a few:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/08/acting-white-remains-a-barrier-for-black#.wa2wbe:Cslq

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/25/charles-barkley-unintelligent-blacks-brainwashed-to-keep-successful-black-men-down-video/



There is a whole long Wikipedia article about "acting white", where Black peers see other Blacks as "sellouts" and "acting white" if they strive to do good in school:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_white


Here is what Charles Barkley says about it:

So I don't know why you are pretending like you have never heard of this before. You know damn well exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Charles Barkley? That guy barely knows any thing about basketball and that's supposed to be his specialty area of knowledge lol. I mean this is the guy that had the Rockets as 7th seed at best last season...

Ha, I digress. But you are still using anecdotal evidence when actual survey don't agree with your statement of...

"There was a prominent part of black culture that thought doing well in school meant you were "acting white". It was "cool" to be stupid."

Except, this is not actually what polling says.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/coll...or_americans_to_increase_college_degrees.html

Until you give me something a little more concrete than what Charles said or Chris Rock then I'll continue to be obtuse.

Otherwise I can use quotes from these same black people about how racism still exists and affects the black population. If you are putting so much weight on the things they say then you would consider those too right?

 

No, just because you "feel" targeted, doesn't mean you actually are. With all of the crazy propaganda being spewed, I don't doubt there is quite a bit of paranoia....but that's irrational by nature.

 

I thought I quoted this in the previous post but I guess not, but I guess I should not skip past it since this is a monumental event of me agreeing with you.

But this is what I agree with and what I've said about this whole culture thing is exactly this. It gets even more complex because it can also be based on an area or region. That's why I always ask "What is black culture" I want to know what people are even talking about that use the term.

If they are talking about an area, as bmd is doing then keep it to that area and not put a a large group of black people under that umbrella. Even saying "It's POOR black culture" is incorrect, there are a lot of poor black southern baptists that are not the way he describes "Poor blacks" as being.

Like I have nothing to do with what's going on in Chicago just like a random white person had nothing to do with the racist culture Dylan Roof attached himself to.

 

Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. That's all you do when confronted with truths that you do not like.

Charles Barkley knows what it's like growing up being Black. But if you don't like Charles Barkley... how about Barack Obama? Does he meet your standard?

So are you calling Charles Barkley and Barack Obama liars?

 

I just want to point out that you clowned him.

Furthermore, using statistics without properly understanding basic tenets of math and as an extension, statistics, as well as logic is counterproductive to trying to understand anything.

To actually draw anything from that data you have to look at this:
1) how many white people were sampled in the original study
2) how many black people were sampled in the original study
3) how many white people were sampled in the new study
4) how many black people were sampled in the new study
5) then using these raw numbers you can do some basic percent change calculations with actual context (something people often forget).

Glancing at percentage differences without context is meaningless.

 

And maybe just maybe the reason they feel targeted is because they are? Why can't you accept that possibility? It's weird that you seem to think that racism doesn't exist anymore.

 

Except you are denying numbers, not me. You continue to say that black people don't care about education even though polls say the exact opposite. You are denying the polls, is it because you want to believe that black people don't care about education?

The key part to Obama's statement...

Obama doesn't put it on the entire black community, as you seem to really want to do.

You are arguing that it's a part of black culture as a whole and Obama is saying in some communities.

also be careful with that. If you understood where those quotes were coming from you would not be so readily quoting them. As that entire program (My Brother's Keeper) is entirely against your argument that it is a "Culture" problem at all.

 

Saying you "care" about something and actually caring enough to accomplish it are two different things though. What are the percentages of college graduates by race?

I haven't seen those numbers in a while, will rep if someone wants to pull those up.

 

Yes, I agree it's complex, there is not one homogeneous "black culture", there are many subcultures, some of which can lead to bad outcomes. There are tons of subcultures associated generally with white people that can lead to bad outcomes as well. The larger American culture is fractured into hundreds, maybe thousands of subcultures. Some are more prominent than others, some lead to better or worse outcomes than others. Generally speaking, subcultures that glorify criminality lead to really poor outcomes for their members, and very often those people are poor.

When people say "it's the culture" what they are really saying is that negative subcultures are too prominent and it is leading to negative results. I've seen firsthand poor families that look down on members for NOT doing drugs and for finding good jobs. It's probably the most ridiculous thing in the world, but it happens. The specific example I'm talking about is a white family, but it doesn't really matter, there are examples of every race of people like that. This friend of mine eventually got dragged down by her family and ended up continuing the cycle. At the same time, I know upper middle class kids who grew up fairly privileged who chose to fall into the "wrong crowd" and ended up pissing everything away simply because they were enamored with the wrong subculture.

It always comes down to what people value, when they value the wrong things, bad things happen. More and more people these days value the wrong things IMO.

 

You jump to illogical conclusions way too often.

I would argue that if law abiding black people feel like they are targeted by the police, in most cases, that's paranoia. That doesn't mean racism "doesn't exist", it just means that it doesn't exist to the extent that "the man" is out to get random law abiding citizens an overwhelming majority of the time.

People who are currently or regularly do break the law absolutely should feel like they are being targeted by police....because they are.

The idea that cops are always just out looking to take down black people just doesn't follow logically and from what I've seen, the people who freak out the most about it.....are people who break the law regularly.

A good example is Sandra Bland. She regularly broke the law, yet in her mind, the cops were just out to get her. The fact that she smoked weed, drove after drinking, rarely carried insurance for her car, and clearly didn't follow traffic laws was irrelevant in her mind. She was convinced that people were out to get her when she was detained for violating traffic laws. The only thing it could be right?

 

"Cops are not always looking to take down black people" and no one is saying that. That's a ridiculous strawman.

What blacks are saying is that they are held in suspicion more and treated differently. That anything a black person says will be viewed as more threatening and hostile than coming from a white person. The police are more likely to search someone who is black, or pull them over for an infraction. They are more likely to escalate with a black person than a white person.

That's what this is about. I am sure none of the cops would ever think they are racist at all. It's not always conscious you know. The police don't likely realize they are treating people differently, it's just that indoctrinated into them that a black person should be viewed more suspiciously.

 

IMO that's mostly paranoia. A lot of people give cops reasons for them to be suspicious of them, and then get upset about the cop's suspicion. Others just think they are being treated differently when that isn't actually the case, or the reason they are being treated differently has nothing to do with race.

Now that said, I've had to deal with some pretty bad cops before, so obviously I'm not trying to say they are above reproach. I got picked up on a warrant once for a traffic ticket I forgot about. I was pulled over by a different jurisdiction and had to sit there with them till the other cops got there. The first thing they did when they got there was one of them brought me over to the car to search me and the other guy held a gun on me till I was in cuffs.....if I was paranoid about race, do you think I might think that was the reason I was being treated that way? Probably. It obviously wasn't the case, most likely they were just bad cops either on a power trip or who were just worried about me being like twice their size (both of them were like 5'9 tops). Take that exact same scenario and inject different races into it and you have people feeling like they were mistreated due to racism.


That's the problem that a lot of people run into, they are hammers that see everything in the world as a nail when there is a whole range of possibilities out there that they are blind to.

 

Of course there's been studies on the subject and Blacks often are treated differently based on the color of their skin by law enforcement and the legal system in general.

 

LOL. In my first grade math class we understand that the ratio of black single parent households to white single parent households has remained fairly constant at 3-1 since the Civil War, well over 100 years. That's plenty of context. It's not a percentage difference, it's a ratio. Not sure how that fact continues to elude. Now get bmd to explain how rap music is to blame for that constant ratio.

 

LOL, I'm sure there are all sorts of studies that set out to show evidence of this...of course most of the time all they do is show some kind of loose correlation and they imply causation.

 

You're trying to make a ratio using percentages with no context. It's meaningless.

I don't know what else to tell you.