Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

This is a good question.

I have nothing against the feminist movement. If a woman finds herself single and with children I agree with the systems in place to help them out. More importantly though I think it's important to educate young peoples about these kinds of things.
I have a problem with feminist that promote female superiority, of course...but I don't think a woman asking for independence is that. If a woman wants to be a career woman that earns her own pay more power to her. If a man doesn't want to marry that kind of woman then don't court them. Court the one you know that is more supportive and submissive, there are plenty of women out there that still want that kind of life.

Women can and should have sex with whoever they want. Whether it makes them whores is a public perception thing. I'm not into slut shaming women either, I'm happy that more women in america are not ashamed of their sexual activities. I'm not religious, as I've said before so the morals of people having safe non-marital consensual sex doesn't really weigh on my mind admittedly.

Overall, I don't see how a woman's fight for equality means it's less likely for her to get married. For histories and likely what will be forever it is and has always been on the man to court the woman. Strong and powerful women get married too.

As far as media goes on, a lot of the black movies for instance don't really look positively on that. A lot of it is steeped in strong christian values.

I remember the Tyler Perry movie about basketball with Rick Fox and Angela Bassett where she was trying to raise her son on her own and eventually couldn't. The moral of the movie was that she needed a man and the help of her family (according to some and I know not you but this is a separate point. this is the toxic black culture at work here) and all that mushy stuff.

I mean just because a woman can support herself doesn't mean she's against marriage. Beyonce is always on that stuff and she's been married for a while now.

In fact for women that are not married polls show that the most important thing for them is a man having a steady job...which goes right against all the 'independent' women stuff. Because I never took a that quote as women saying they WANT to be independent, just that if a man does something wrong to her they are not reliant on them.

That's my thoughts on that any ways.

No, you are not wrong. I just meant that era in general and not the specific event. In the end, the BLM title may dissipate but as long as the issue remains it'll just be reborn into a different thing...because it's like this is not the first time that black people have protested about this issue.

Also, I just meant that whatever bmd's experience are. That's fine. A lot of the people in this thread that are considering his experience though just flat out ignore or deny the experiences of many black people.

 

There hasn't been nearly any data in this thread, just a whole host of speculation and hearsay--pointedly any look at black-white differentials, the whole root of the BLM movement, has been given nothing more than dismissal while anecdotal stories and causal mechanisms so grand and opaque as "cultural differences" are being given much more weight than they merit.

Nobody here has given a plausible theory on incarceration differences, nevermind systematic economic, social, and political differentials.

 

The problem actually is that a lot of people see black people as different. It has been said in this thread before and quite clearly. We know you agree with that.

When I posed "It's not a black problem, it's a poor problem." that wasn't accepted. I said it was a problem with individual communities and a poverty issue but I'm being told over and over again it's not that, it's just a problem with "Black Culture."

Do you not know what a 'Culture' is?

How one speaks, what arts they identify with, religion, dance, festivals, events, whatever and even sports. What defines this black culture that you are speaking of?

What? So Dylan Roof said that blacks are ruining America is the same as posting facts that black people get arrested more than whites for the same crime?

I can't even...

Proof? Again, others are able to use their anecdotal evidence as proof when it fits your argument.

Lol, i'm done. I was going to type a long response but what's the point? I posted the stats and numbers on it and you just respond with "I don't accept it."

You just simply don't accept it, that's fine.

 

I've posted the data it just gets ignored.

I mean we could talk about the theories of the differences but they'd have to accept the numbers first.

But if they want to talk about "Cultural Differences" as they seem to really want to talk about then I'd like to hear them get a lot more specific with it. I agree that it is being discussed more than it should, but personally I have a problem with people discussing "Black Culture" and yet when asked about it they never can say what it is.

 

If you want some more numbers Northside, here you go.

Some data on the troubling "Black Culture" and how it relates to marriage.


Bad black culture, for them wanting their spouses to be educated and have a steady job.

 

You posted a survey....that I guess you take as fact. If you believe the results, then it shouldn't matter because only a tiny fraction of the population do drugs in the first place. Can't be that big of a deal if so few are using right?

 

I can agree with this; it would be nice to get some on this thread though, a counter balance.

 

Every culture has a different culture. A black guy born in Cleveland has little culturally in common with a black guy born in Congo and yet they're the same race. bmd has broken down culture into a couple racial categories based on his experiences and it's absurd. I've asked him to define white, black, and asian culture and he's unable to do so. Perhaps you can define these cultures for me.

 

Actually I posted a study from the Brooking's Institute. It used survey's but actual data from samhsa and the bureau of justice statistics.

more data...
https://www.aclu.org/report/war-mar...inal-law-reform/war-mar1juana-black-and-white

Hey, and Rand Paul agrees...

That matches exactly what the Baltimore cop said months ago too...

 

Once again we're back to talking about guilty people though. I don't accept the survey portion of the study since it relies on people being honest when asked if they do or sell drugs. I'd imagine not everyone would admit to it. I know, it's shocking that people would like, but we have to deal with it.

Arguing that more people of a certain race get caught breaking the law is pretty weak, how about we move on to an actual injustice? So long as we're talking about criminals, you won't get much sympathy.

 

That said, I don't support the "war on drugs" as it runs counter to most of my political beliefs....i just don't have sympathy for those who willingly break the law and get caught. If you want to have a discussion about legalizing certain drugs, I'll be right there with you.

 

I am left of center and have moved towards the right on some issues.

 

It's more than just survey's though but any ways, we can agree on your latter post then.

The difference is I suppose is I have more sympathy towards criminals, especially those under 21 as people tend to do dumb things at younger ages. When you have officers admitting that it's a lot easier to get arrests in certain areas and all it's no surprise then that people that live in those areas feel targeted. At least for me it's not a surprise.

 

I think you are ignorant and should actually do research on it. I supported BLM until I spent more time looking at Garza and her opinions and motives. Further, look at who they have sponsored to speak. It IS a racist organization that people have by and large failed to properly investigate.

If you support the positions of Shakur and Garza and their views concerning killing policemen and white people/anarchy, so be it. We can debate that and I can respect you for standing up for your beliefs (as I do Remii and Yank). However sugar coating it based on willful ignorance is unacceptable.

 

Fair enough, but just so we're clear, we're talking about criminals feeling "targeted" by police.....well, yeah, they are and they should be. It is fully in their power to not be "targeted" if they really desire it, just stop breaking the law.

 

Really good post and you bring up a good point, for the most part those who defend the BLM people are the ones "missing the point" of the group/movement...if they knew the actual point of the group/movement, they almost certainly wouldn't support it in most cases.

 

That's not just what culture is. Culture is also a set of shared values, beliefs, behaviors, etc.

There was a prominent part of black culture that thought doing well in school meant you were "acting white". It was "cool" to be stupid. Chris Rock even did a famous stand-up comedy routine about this.

That is just one small, tiny negative part of Black culture.

 

I guess the main point is that I feel a lot of these things should not be criminalized in the first place. I'm calling out the law on those as unnecessary.

My 'Whatever' should have been etc.

Prominent? Do you have any sources on this besides anecdotal evidence by Chris Rock? Is that really your source there?

I'll just post the poll again.



Chris Rock is trying to make a joke, this poll is just as is and has no biases though and contradicts your statement. In fact it shows that many black people DO care about education.

I love Chris Rock though but you are being dishonest about that quote. The joke was that there are "Black people and there are N______." you are making it seem as if he's grouping all black people together when he does the opposite pretty much.

But since we are taking Chris Rock and using things he uses in his routines as fact then there is this.

 

That's fine, but it's also a completely different conversation. The law is the law, you and I both can disagree with it, but it doesn't give us the right to disobey it without potential consequences.

There's times I decide to violate the law....especially those I deem to be unfair or unnecissary, but I do so knowing that there could be consequences. It's no one else's fault if I were to be caught and punished for my actions.

 

And that difference is noted in African and African American. I think you know what I am saying; sorry if it is not expressed so precisely and exactly.

I'm sorry, but I am not getting into the culture definition part. That is between y'all, and it was not something I was specifically interjecting in.