Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

You were the one that was proven wrong in the post above. Good job ignoring the rest of that post though.

+10 points.

 

The fact that the phrase " lack Lives Matters is even controversial says alot about our society.

 

Black Lives Matter I mean

 

Calm your t*** guy, I never suggested that any culture was "superior" to any other.....the fact that you took my comments to mean that suggests that you should probably take some time away from the computer for a while, you're clearly missing the mark. If you aren't aware enough to realize that the 60's brought on massive changes in EVERY culture in America then there's probably no point in continuing this conversation.

The fact that you want to write the changes in the black community off as nothing but the war on drugs, suggesting that the entire black community was nothing but a bunch of junkies that ended up in jail due to a crackdown on drugs, is pretty foolish IMO....somehow you prefer to think that over realizing the obvious, that the values and culture of those in the black community changed just like the values and culture of EVERY community at the time.

 

HAH, so you are now changing to war on drugs is the problem with marriage in america and abandoning the fact blacks are disproportionately locked up just to stick to your original point. Go smoke some more drugs and complain about them being illegal cheech. Your 'batin doesn't even have an internal logic no matter how hard you try.

 

Every race has a different culture. Please tell me you are aware of that.

bmd is speaking based on his experience. Do you doubt his numbers, his experience, his conclusions? I am just trying to understand exactly what you are trying to bash him on.

I traveled nationally with a basketball team to play in tournaments. We would all go on a road-trip to a city across the nation, to play in an AAU, BCI, or other tourneys.

On the downtime between games, we would go to amusement parks, or movie theaters, etc. Everybody was there, except for the black parents left their kids with us to go to a bar or smoke weed. Sometimes, they even missed their kids games, and the others would take them to dinner and lunch. It was others and my own parents that were encouraging the kids to go on rides. One time, my dad was holding my brothers' and another players' hand during a scary movie, and the other player squeezed his hand so hard he couldn't move it for a couple days. Point is, the parents were hardly present, and seemed to have used the tournament as an excuse to fulfill their own motives out of town.

The team disbanded at the beginning of the teenage years because, well, like parents like kids.

As time passed, a couple went to play in college, a couple went pro, and a couple went to jail, and others dropped out. One had sex with a minor, one robbed a convenience store, one had an assault charge, and two others joined the same gang. I can all but guarantee you that if they did not have negligent parents, every one of them would have been college athletes.

I don't think you should blame Asian lenses on bmd's experiences.

I think that is a terrible analogy, personally.

Really, if you wanted to make a comparable analogy, I would try looking at this:

"Save the rainforests!" - This doesn't mean all rainforests don't matter, or that cloudforests, per say, can go screw off.

However, BLM, sure, in theory, sounds great, if you interpret it as above ^. There are disagreements on whether it's necessary, etc., but I hope you can see that people have made some egregious mistakes with BLM. Any bad action under the BLM name will get picked apart.

 

Since you seem to be confused...

Except I never said that. As some would say "You are all up in the kool-aid and don't know the flavor."

Are you getting it now? I didn't say the war on drugs was the reason for the decline in marriage. You THINK I said that because you either didn't read my post or you read it incorrectly.

Man are you confused or what?

I never dropped from that position. Show me the quote where I dropped from that position?

Whites are being put more into jail too because of the war on drugs. That doesn't mean it is happening equally. It means it is happening more. Because as you see, USA has an insanely high incarceration rate.

I said MORE not EQUALLY.

 

Oh really? Then why bring up black culture at all if you are not trying to say one is better than the other? If you are agreeing with BMD that there is something wrong with black culture you are also saying that one culture is better than the other. How could that be taken as any other way?

If you are disagreeing with bmd on that topic then just say so.

But Again Bobby, if you have no idea what black culture even is then there is no discussion to be had here.

You keep talking about it but can't even summarize what it is. Keep dodging that question though.

Didn't suggest that. AGAIN, Blacks are being put in jail for the same crime that whites do at higher rates. How many times does this have to be repeated?

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/soci...0-war-on-drugs-black-social-mobility-rothwell

 

Anecdotal evidence suffers from a whole bunch of cognitive biases. Having a debate on them is like wrestling on quicksand with a bear: you have to correct both for the cognitive biases inherent in the quicksand that sinks both you and the bear--and you have to address the substantive point that is the bear.

If somebody is arguing from a flawed logical position, their recollection of events and the way they frame them will suffer accordingly. Humans are trained to create causal theories out of nothing. That doesn't mean the world they've framed accordingly is right.

A perfect example of this is the numerous people who have cited an excess of police executions due to the availability heuristic of two horrific incidents. While any law enforcement death is a tragedy, the fact remains that 2015 is shaping up on aggregate to be one of the safest years for law enforcement in 25 years. The whole "BLM war on police narrative" is a sham and is a careful reminder that anecdotal evidence doesn't sharpen arguments: it clouds them.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/04/police-deaths-2015-law-enforcement-safety

 

I think the point of the BLM # and those that have adopted it is to put a spotlight on the discrepancy there.

In any movement there will be those that are much more hostile with it. This was the case with the Civil Rights movement. It didn't mean to just disregard the movement though.

As for bmd and his experiences. That's fine, it is anecdotal though and just his experiences. If people are going to consider them then they should also consider the experiences that black people have too, that would be cool.

 

Can somebody explain to me what "black culture" is?

I was under the impression that we had countless cultures.

 

My anecdotal evidence aligns with what has happened in so many places.

The entire city of New Orleans itself has transformed from a nice city in the 50's and 60's to a crime-ridden dump now.


Here is a photo of the house I grew up in a suburb of New Orleans. The top photo is an actual photograph of mine from the mid-90's when the neighborhood was about half black and half white.

The yard was kept nice, there were plants in the garden, mulch in the garden, the house was painted and kept up.

Now, the neighborhood is a dump and is crime-ridden. Look at the bottom photo, which is what the house looks like today. Grass is all overgrown and growing over the walkway, bars on the windows, and it looks like the same exact bushes that were there when I lived there 20 years ago. Nobody has touched the "garden" since. Just looks like crap.






Here is a news story about a "community center" that is being built in the neighborhood. The article gives a brief description of what happened to the neighborhood:

http://blog.nola.com/westbank/2015/06/woodmere_community_center.html

What the author of the article doesn't mention here is race. It was a thriving suburb of (white) working-class families. She doesn't mention that the huge rise in crime coincided with poor black people moving into the neighborhood and white families moving out.



Here is another story:

25-year-old man shot dead marks 3rd killing in month in Harvey's Woodmere neighborhood

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/06/man_25_fatally_shot_in_harveys.html


3rd murder in a month... this is just a little sub-division. What was once a middle-class community is now infested with crime, drugs, guns, gangs, etc.

And it was getting bad when I lived there. Our cars were stolen twice, our home burglarized twice, the neighbor's house robbed once, there were shootings, etc. White people left and more poor Black people moved in and crime just spiked even more.


I assure you and others that everything I said in my own personal experience of growing up there was accurate.

And my neighborhood wasn't the only one. It is like that all over the city.

 

Do you have charts where those arrest took place... Because you can bet a majority of them were going on in neighborhoods where there were a bunch of single mothers concentrated together.

The feminist movement and the sexual revolution brought about authors like Michele Wallace, Alice Walker, etc who inspired many black women to have stong attitudes, that they didn't need a man and can do it on their own (especially with the government backing them up with welfare for single mothers), and that they could F who they want and it didn't make them whores... And the same type of stuff is still being promoted in the entertainment industry now.

The destruction of black families started before the war on drugs and now other groups of people are starting to go through the same thing.

 

"Pigs in a blanket; fry 'em like bacon." BLM "peaceful protest" in Minnesota.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/...ter-chant-called-disgusting-by-police-leader/

 

I've talked about the gap in the numbers (should I quote myself?) which started at 3x and is still 3x but you're still here talking gibberish about math (weeeee!) and you still won't explain why that 3x gap has existed since the Civil War.

 

I agree about the cognitive bias; levels obviously vary. I forgot to put "conclusions" in my question though. Bit too late for that.

I believe our analogies are saying the same thing, just different, well, analogies

Comparing to Civil Rights movement, I wasn't around, but the histories center around the 200,000 at MLK's speech (correct if I am wrong), and other non-violent, and quite inspirational protests. The histories may not be so kind for this.

Not sure there have been any anecdotes on white people in this thread though. Would love to hear them: I have some great ones from the trailer park I was in this past summer, personally. Trash is trash, no matter what race.

 

You have admitted that any movement, even the most well intentioned possible, to provide equality and justice for minorities would be quasi-racist. This is exactly what I've already said. There cannot any movememt, no matter how kiss ass of the white community, that you would not label racist in some form. That's the little game being played by so some of the public at large and by so many posters on this board. It's preposterous.

 

ALL LIVES MATTER would provide equality and justice for minorities and not be racist at all.

"Pigs in a blanket. Fry 'em like bacon." In Minnesota that hotbed of racism.

 

The conversation was about problems in the black community...one can point out problems without suggesting that one culture is superior to the other, all cultures are flawed. Perhaps part of your individual problem is that you see things in binary terms when that's not actually the case.

It's kind of an odd direction that you are trying to go here, "black culture" is the predominant subculture of black Americans....what greater definition were you looking for?

I honestly wish you'd stop repeating it because it's pretty close to the same level of propaganda that Dylan Roof was pushing.

You aren't mistreated.

Even if one were to assume the premise was true, that black people are caught breaking the law more than white people despite a similar level of violations.....which I don't accept, it would still be irrelevant because anyone caught was still breaking the law. Sympathy comes from those wrongly accused, when you are actually breaking the law and you get busted, whining that others do it too is pretty pointless wouldn't you agree?

If I murdered someone and was convicted, should I whine about OJ getting away with it? Of course not.

This is a good example of why certain groups lose credibility, when you spend so much energy whining about something that isn't actually an injustice, it makes people tune you out. Stick to legitimate injustices and more will care. Battling for drug dealers, addicts, and other criminals isn't the best way to make people care.