Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

Is it really blaming though if numbers back it up and history as well?

Yep, pretty much. Just the issue I have is that any thing that is bad is thrown into the 'Black Culture' label.

You missed my point entirely though. It's a foreign thing. Americans as a whole should be wondering why foreigners are coming into our country and doing better than our own kids. Americans as a whole. It's not an Asian thing as you implied it to be. As Rocketsjudoka correctly said, around the world there are a bunch of poor Asian folks but those are not the Asian people that are immigrating to the states.

This is again what I'm talking about though. American arts are very violent. Again though it's just being attributed to 'Black Culture'. Even so this again plays into the culture of an area. Growing up in "Chiraq" is going to be a different experience than growing up in another poor black community. That particular community has a problem.

Honestly I've never heard of the group or the song. A lot of rap is local. Gangsta rap is such a small sub-genre of rap now though that it usually is relegated to a small local thing. A lot of the mainstream rappers are not even close to being bad. The furthest they go is to glamorize the life of the rich and famous and the party lifestyle that's just apart of American culture and not limited to rap music.

But again, talking about p***y and weed...that's not a black thing at all. But you are attributing it once again to black culture. Even though things like weed are glamorized in many a college movie. Talking about women and weed sounds like a college thing to me. Is that college culture? Is that college culture the reason why so many foreigners are outdoing american children?

There is a whole subset of movies called the "Stoner Film" and hint, most of them aren't black movies.

Again, I don't doubt your experience. I'm sure some kids had terrible parents. Just that terrible parenting isn't a black thing or a part of black culture.

Well, can you relay that to them? Things they say seem to say otherwise.

Are there numbers on that? I mean numbers to suggest that within (Just off the top of my head here) the 70% of white people in the country that the poor among them is such a small blip compared to the black community?

 

After personally seeing the Syrian refugees just arrive at the Munich train station, I have to say the black racial pity party that exists in the US is one of the most pathetic displays you can imagine. They've got it INCREDIBLY easy compared to the Syrians, that's for sure.

 

Yes it often is, and I think it's ridiculous. The use of the term "black culture" to describe glamorizing criminal behavior is a severe misuse of the term. It's usually from people who don't understand what actual American culture is.

 

And whites in the US have it INCREDIBLY easy to both so they shouldn't be complaining about anything right? :grin:

 

Vast majority of BLM's rallies are peaceful and call for blacks to protest peacefully against police - yet conservatives paint it a a violent movement if any blacks are all commit a violent against against a white cop - even if there is no connection.

That in and of itself is racist.

 

I doubt the families of NYPD officers Liu and Ramos would agree with this. Or the family of the policeman who was shot in the Houston area.

BLM has blood on their hands for all three of these cowardly killings.

 

Yeah and that's what I'm getting at mostly. That's why when people use that term I always want to know what exactly do they mean. It always seems like anything that's a bad part of american culture it just gets shoved to being 'black culture' thing.

Lol yeah, I was going to say. According to Bigtexx logic he shouldn't be complaining about anything. Yet here he is, complaining about people complaining.

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I know you won't watch the video and you'll ignore the numbers though. Either ignore or just repeat what you've said in a different way.

So do you want to take away their right to protest in the end? What's the solution here?

 

I doubt you have any idea what they really think or care about. I doubt they think about BLM very much.

You can find whatever scapegoat you choose. We get it, you think blacks should take racism and unfair police brutality on the chin. After all, Syrians have it worse. Blacks are 2nd class citizens to you - they don't deserve to be treated with the same respect white people do.

Look at them blackies, stirring up trouble asking for equal treatment by police when there is so much suffering. Don't they realize that asking for that is going to make some crazy black guy shoot up some cops? Well, then that's all them faults. Yup sir - the real murderers are the protesters!

-Bigdouchebagxxx

 

I can't even respond to all of that. You are obfuscating the issue. It seems as if you are downplaying significant portions of the black population and pointing to small subsets of the white population to show that both groups act the same way.

Here is just one example... you said:

Of course terrible parenting isn't exclusive to Black culture. But there you go again... trying to act like there is no difference between parenting between Black and Whites because there are bad parents in both groups.

But here are the facts:

72% of Black children are born out of wedlock.

29% of White children are born out of wedlock.


So only 28% of Black children are born to parents who are married, whereas 71% of White children are born to married parents.


That is a GIGANTIC difference.

This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Yes, both groups have bad parents. But to act like it's the same is absurd.

 

Small subsets? 72% out of wedlock means exactly that. A kid is born to parents who are not married. It doesn't mean the kid is born to a single parent household.

The number you are quoting is not a black thing, once again you are making it into a black thing. It is an american thing, marriage rates have been falling for a while. That's another topic but the summary there would be it costs money to get married, money people often don't have to plan for it.

For the black population in particular a big change from marriage has to do with the war on drugs and the fact that black people get charged for it more than white people do, despite the usage being the same. The marriage rates among the black community were actually fine until the drug war. The numbers through the year actually agrees with that.

As far as your numbers, lets correct them. Being born out of wedlock means exactly that. The kid could have his parents situation change 2-3 years later and they could marry later. Even so, lets correct them.

The correct stat you are looking for is "Single Parent" households. Not out of wedlock. That number for white people is at 25%, that's not a small subset of people. That is one in four white families is it not? You are the one that said it would be a blip. In fact considering the totality of it that means there are more white children in single parent households than black children. Of course that is unfair because there are more white people in the states. Talk about it being a blip, it is a blip within the Asian population at 16%.

That number for black people btw is at 67% (2nd highest is Native American at 52%), still pretty high. But this should not really surprise many people considering the effect the war on drugs and that getting married for poor people is more of an obstacle.

Any ways, it was never my argument about marriage rates or anything like that. My argument was on the mythical black culture theory. That black people have this toxic culture that and that's why that number is at 67%. Something about black culture that means less marriages (although polls show that black people would LOVE to get married...) so I want to know what it is about it. If you are going to tell someone they are doing something wrong then you have to say what it is right? You can't tell Dwight how to fix his freethrows and then not offer any corrections to his form.

So if you are going to continue to talk about this culture, then you really should get down and dirty and talk about it. What about it is so toxic? What seperates black america culture from white america? What is it really that makes black culture different? Otherwise...

Again, we are already admitting that it is more often that black people are poor. The difference is you are saying that it is black culture thing and others are saying it is a poor thing. Maybe we should all just agree that Asian people have the superior culture when it comes to all of us.

 

Out of wedlock, single parent households.. it's not all that different. The numbers are virtually the same.

75% of white kids live in a two-parent household. That is the vast majority. It is the norm.

Only 33% of black kids live in a two-parent household. That is by far the most of any group.



And it's not JUST a poor thing. Hispanics are pretty poor as a group, and Native Americans might be even poorer than Blacks, but they don't have near the percentage of single parent households as Blacks.

I don't know exactly WHY Blacks as a group have such little care for family, but there has to be certain attitudes or a line of thinking that permeates the Black community through generations that results in those numbers. And those commonalities is what makes up a culture.

 

I'm sorry but 1/4 is not just a small blip, as you made it seem. That is still 1 in 4 white white kids growing up in single parent households.

Far below Asian numbers, so would you agree their culture is the model culture we should be following and superior to white culture?

You're right, it's also most likely a race thing now that you bring it up since blacks get punished harder for the same crimes that whites commit. This is why when the war on drugs begin black marriage rate also took a sharp decline.

Really? Again, through the generations it's been fine until the 70s and the war on drugs. Until the war on drugs it's been fine.

It's also funny that you talk about a lack of care for family when most of the black population share the same christian values that white america does. So you're going to have to explain that too. I mean most of the black population is still so very religious that only 39% of them favor gay marriage..in 2015...Aren't christian values marriage and then children? What's going on here? It seems to me religion is a big part of culture is it not? Probably the biggest part of a community's culture is their religious beliefs.

Also, if you don't know why then maybe you shouldn't speak on it? You are lecturing an entire population of people and without nary a solution to the problem. Just "Black people have issues." and I just want to know why.

 

Also, just to be clear. I wasn't really saying it is a race thing, it was a bit of satire. If you're going to say it is a race thing then I was flipping it back around.

Truth is, the numbers for single parent households go like this. With 1 being the highest.

1. Asian
2. White
3. Hispanic
4. Native
5. Black

Incidentally the median income for a household by race goes like this.

1. Asian
2. White
3. Hispanic
4. Native
5. Black

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/opinion/the-truth-of-black-lives-matter.html?_r=0

The Truth of ‘Black Lives Matter’
By THE EDITORIAL BOARDSEPT. 3, 2015

The Republican Party and its acolytes in the news media are trying to demonize the protest movement that has sprung up in response to the all-too-common police killings of unarmed African-Americans across the country. The intent of the campaign — evident in comments by politicians like Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina, Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin and Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky — is to cast the phrase “Black Lives Matter” as an inflammatory or even hateful anti-white expression that has no legitimate place in a civil rights campaign.

Former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas crystallized this view when he said the other week that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., were he alive today, would be “appalled” by the movement’s focus on the skin color of the unarmed people who are disproportionately killed in encounters with the police. This argument betrays a disturbing indifference to or at best a profound ignorance of history in general and of the civil rights movement in particular. From the very beginning, the movement focused unapologetically on bringing an end to state-sanctioned violence against African-Americans and to acts of racial terror very much like the one that took nine lives at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., in June.

The civil rights movement was intended to make Congress and Americans confront the fact that African-Americans were being killed with impunity for offenses like trying to vote, and had the right to life and to equal protection under the law. The movement sought a cross-racial appeal, but at every step of the way used expressly racial terms to describe the death and destruction that was visited upon black people because they were black.

Even in the early 20th century, civil rights groups documented cases in which African-Americans died horrible deaths after being turned away from hospitals reserved for whites, or were lynched — which meant being hanged, burned or dismembered — in front of enormous crowds that had gathered to enjoy the sight.

The Charleston church massacre has eerie parallels to the 1963 bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala. — the most heinous act of that period — which occurred at the height of the early civil rights movement. Four black girls were murdered that Sunday. When Dr. King eulogized them, he did not shy away from the fact that the dead had been killed because they were black, by monstrous men whose leaders fed them “the stale bread of hatred and the spoiled meat of racism.” He said that the dead “have something to say” to a complacent federal government that cut back-room deals with Southern Dixiecrats, as well as to “every Negro who has passively accepted the evil system of segregation and who has stood on the sidelines in a mighty struggle for justice.” Shock over the bombing pushed Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act the following year.

Students from Baltimore colleges and high schools march in protest after the death of Freddie Gray.
During this same period, freedom riders and voting rights activists led by the young John Lewis offered themselves up to be beaten nearly to death, week after week, day after day, in the South so that the country would witness Jim Crow brutality and meaningfully respond to it. This grisly method succeeded in Selma, Ala., in 1965 when scenes of troopers bludgeoning voting rights demonstrators compelled a previously hesitant Congress to acknowledge that black people deserved full citizenship, too, and to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Along the way, there was never a doubt as to what the struggle was about: securing citizenship rights for black people who had long been denied them.

The “Black Lives Matter” movement focuses on the fact that black citizens have long been far more likely than whites to die at the hands of the police, and is of a piece with this history. Demonstrators who chant the phrase are making the same declaration that voting rights and civil rights activists made a half-century ago. They are not asserting that black lives are more precious than white lives. They are underlining an indisputable fact — that the lives of black citizens in this country historically have not mattered, and have been discounted and devalued. People who are unacquainted with this history are understandably uncomfortable with the language of the movement. But politicians who know better and seek to strip this issue of its racial content and context are acting in bad faith. They are trying to cover up an unpleasant truth and asking the country to collude with them.

 

I agree Bigtexxx. Thank you for finally finding God and eradicating Evil from your heart.

 

You're never going to understand,Texx. Your posting history constantly shows your poorly-designed attempts to create negative "parallels" relating to African Americans and other groups or issues.

"...The black racial pity party that exists in the US..." From one man to another, you cannot truly have this type of internal dialogue, right? I pray that you post as a character and that your words do not truly represent how you perceive African Americans. I could broaden this to other minorities, but your weapon of choice has always been African Americans. Your posts somehow find a way to belittle a group that you know so little about, both by your own background and through your unwillingness to have a rational, decent frame of mind.

I find it incredibly offensive that you believe the historical and current African American experience and struggle to be "easier", in comparison to the Syrians. Why is that even necessary to post? Oh wait, that's part of your "character,"right? Did you get me with the race-baiting game again? Silly me!

This is the type of polarizing, unfounded and downright tired thinking that continues to perpetuate racism. In one post, you have managed to show your lack of respect for African Americans, Syrians and your common man. One post.

To label something as a "black racial pity party" is laughable coming from you. Do you understand what it is like to be African American? Obviously not. Do you consider the current struggles in the African American community to be significant? Do you fully understand why some African Americans feel victimized and unsupported in their own neighborhoods? You couldn't possibly have a broader frame of mind when you nearly always minimize African Americans every chance you get. Again, I hope this "BigTexxx" is merely a character for a person with some intellectual capacity.

It's not just that my family is largely African American, but I cannot fathom how you find such deplorable ways of discussing African Americans and the events and issues which relate in some manner. We can look at your discussions on Obama, not politically, but purely racially. We could take a gander at your comments about "black culture," which evidence your complete misunderstanding or inexperience relating to African Americans. We could look at your fantastic comments about a teenage, Trayvon, or better yet, we could go through this thread to examine your appalling comments and criticisms of a race that you neither respect nor care to understand.

I enjoy reading the D&D from time to time, and you have certainly made your mark in this forum as a high-volume poster with arguably the least interest in that awesome team, you know, the Houston Rockets. There are times where I enjoy reading your posts that show some thoughtfulness and moderate back-and-forth with other posters.

I just find it to be very disappointing that after all of these years, you still are the same racially-insensitive person who chooses to pile on African Americans over and over again.

At what point do you admit to yourself that your commentary in here is really just documentation that you have a personal conflict with African Americans?
Call it what it is already. You don't like African Americans. We get it.

It's tiring for the majority of us who learned long ago about racial tolerance and sensitivity. However, I do want to thank you for removing the MLK quote from your signature. I certainly remember how it was created in poor taste. Thanks again.

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed knowing that the young men I help coach at practice in the morning, all from different racial and cultural backgrounds, have experienced such great struggles to find their way towards success.

There's no need for me to try to find which young man received an easier path via a "racial pity party" because that type of thinking is what hinders Americans from progressing towards tolerance and common decency.

 

No.

The founders of the movement are radical racists. They openly admit that a terrorist cop killer is a central inspiration for what they hope to accomplish. They sponsor events where known racists and radicals speak. They invite activists to speak that have called for the mirder of police officers.

You can discuss many members not being aware of the founders of the movement or that members may not share similar beliefs, but it is all factual. Those associated with the movement that don't agree with the radical sentiment of the founders should form another organization, because they are rightfully condemned by association.

 

Codman you've let your emotional ties cloud your thinking. First, I was proven 100 percent correct regarding Trayvon and I was correct from the very first day. It's a shame you didn't take that episode as a learning opportunity.

Second, BLM gained its biggest momentum over the mike brown case, which was built upon a complete lie from witnesses. Brown wasn't shot in the back or with his hands up in a surrender pose. He had just robbed a store and attacked a cop. Yes this lie was what caused the BLM movement to gain its momentum. All over a lie and race hustlers selfish actions to get into the spotlight. You are a teacher right? You need to learn to think for yourself and not let the media manipulate your beliefs.

Finally I would love to see the BLM activists share their "struggle" with the Syrian refugees I saw yesterday. My guess is the BLM folks would tuck tail in shame before even opening their mouths...

 

This movement should have started with James Byrd's murder and then it might have some credibility-- even though it still would be quasi-racist.

 

Seems kind of a simplistic analysis based on a body count. Too many of these recent cop deaths have been assassinations which is not the same as being killed "in the line of duty" chasing criminals or preventing crime etc.