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Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Aug 9, 2015.

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  1. GlenDice

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    Yes asking, "How does this make black lives better?" or whatever basically shows that she has no interest in the victims but rather just trying to take a stab at movements. It's clear she has an agenda and that tweet is nothing but political garbage. That's what shameful, using a tragedy to score cheap points.
     
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    Yes asking, "How does this make black lives better?" or whatever basically shows that she has no interest in the victims but rather just trying to take a stab at movements. It's clear she has an agenda and that tweet is nothing but political garbage. That's what shameful, using a tragedy to score cheap points.

    You're being disingenuous because you know I didn't mean the word "Shameful" when I referenced the last line. And then you spin it to say I don't think the officer's death was shameful. Stop being intentionally obtuse.
     
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    The sad thing is, you don't realize almost everyone in America - including you - is a loser in this scenario. You happen to be the loser who thinks he's going to nail the prom queen - you're not. You are just playing along beautifully to the musical whining from the winners. Meanwhile, the winners are whining about privilege and nailing the prom queen.

    Are you Christian, Bobby? If so, the story of Jesus may be more familiar to you. Jesus realized that sometimes, losing is success and winning is failure. It was profound. That's one of the reasons why he's a mega star. He was not in it to win their game. He was in it to preserve his integrity and stand for the weak. Yes, he could've told the weak to stop whining and get a job, but he realized the problem is much larger than that. He had principles, and there were recurring themes in those principles. They tend to revolve around problems which affected the lowest income people in society. His strategy was love. Not the Disney kind. But the kind where he could love a poor person enough to fight for their rights, even if some of them needed to be advised to work harder in the meantime. The type where he didn't view success as living as far away from the weak as possible. The type where he would transform shunned members of society into people who believed in becoming a contributing member of that society so that everyone brings value for each other.

    He did not believe in flags, armies, countries, economic growth. Even if Jesus is a fictional character, and many would argue there's not a shred of proof that he's anything but a dude born in the Middle East, there are almost a couple of billion people who hold on to his teachings. He spawned generations of religious and political activists who believed in the same thing. Sometimes, a story is so powerful that it doesn't even matter if it's true anymore.

    Even taking into account all the reasons why you may think it's the case, you cannot deny that the losers in your quoted scenario are the weak, and the winners are the strong.

    In a society where money defines everything, which people are the weakest Bobby? I'm honestly not leading you to an answer. I'm genuinely interested in your answer to this one question, up to you whether you want to define it by race, income, class, geographic location, whatever.

    Who are the weak in America and what is their defining characteristic?
     
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    The "losers" are those who are weak minded.

    Those who whine about "privilege" are those who are weak minded, strong minded people don't overly concern themselves with what other people may or may not have and don't come up with excuses why they fail.....they just focus on their own success, whatever that may be.
     
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    I am sorry I assumed you knew what the words last and line mean. If I forget, feel free to remind me of this example.
     
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    That's absurd, come on. The entire system you support is based on what others do and don't have. What you do or don't have is 100% relative to what others do or don't have. If you are the only person with a hundred dollars, that is different than everyone having a hundred dollars.

    But back to the question. I didn't ask who the losers are or who the weak minded are. Let's say you're right about what you said above.

    Who are the weak in America? In other words, who are the most vulnerable to death relative to the population of America?
     
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    LOL most vulnerable to death? People with terminal diseases and the mentally ill followed by people who live dangerous lifestyles.
     
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    Ben Carson wrote an op-ed that is a pretty good read.
     
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    That's a fantastic answer Bobby. Are you interested in knowing which segments of American society are more prone to mental illness, terminal diseases and dangerous lifestyle choices? Also, do you want to know which segments are less able to cure these things after prevention fails?

    If I'm being honest, I know you know bro. You answered my question so I'll leave you alone. Thanks for the discussion.
     
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    He doesn't even touch on the mass incarcerations for non violent offenses which is probably the largest reason for the predicament of certain minority groups in this nation. Once you have to check the box for "Have you ever been arrested" in a job application, you're ****ed.

    I can't take this guy seriously if he thinks public housing is a bigger problem than mass incarcerations. We incarcerate more than ****ing North Korea per capita.
     
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    He probably understands that it is pretty easy to avoid incarceration. Step 1: don't commit a crime. Step 2: there is no step 2. That is going to take care of it in 99.99% of cases.
     
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    Two things can only logically follow from the notion that the United States has the seconds highest incarceration rate per 100,000 citizens on this planet.

    Either:
    A. We have the second worst population of citizens on this planet
    B. There is an inherent problem with our prison system and how easy it is to be incarcerated.
     
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    Cut the man some slack; did you expect a several page paper? This is besides the fact that his point was that African Americans should fight for better education to avoid public housing, instead of just settling on it. He wasn't just speaking specifically on public housing. Is that not reasonable? But because he didn't touch every single topic, he's a fool?

    716 per 100,000 is the incarceration rate (October '13). Factor? Yes; largest reason? Hardly.

    Source on North Korea? Using my sense, I find it hard to believe that we would get an accurate number out of their country.
     
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    Something a lot of people seem to ignore is that our prison system profits off of prisoners. As such, nothing will change.

    To say to stop committing crime is a bit. Again, everyone has probably downloaded movie/game/music. Just imagine if the government decided that this is the same physical theft and then decided to lock people up for it.

    We'd need a lot more prison beds suddenly.
     
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    The point is that the punishments are destroying communities and not helping them. Mandatory minimum sentencing has been a complete failure.

    And there's no reason to cut the man some slack when he completely misses where the problem is coming from. I'm not a Rand Paul supporter but he understands the crime and punishment issue and where it has gone wrong. What Ben Carson said was completely cliched and would do very little to help anyone.
     
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    Steps to avoid having an adult conversation about prison reform

    Step 1: Post something obviously ignorant
    Step 2: There is no step 2. Good job.
     
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    Yea, forget about academics or family cohesiveness, it's the scary white man and his prison system destroying communities.
     

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