Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

They get contentious because a group of fanatics believe it's ALWAYS racism when cops confront a black person

 

It certainly isn't exclusive to race, but race is without question one factor which can increase or decrease opportunities.

I definitely believe that socioeconomic status is a much bigger driver, but claiming that everyone in America has the "same opportunity" is just plain naive.

 

Glad you're able to see the bias, narrow-mindedness, and ridiculousness of irrational BOFs, similar to LOFs.

 

I think bringing up the other disadvantages people can have in modern day society just ignores the ones we are currently talking about. Being poor is certainly the worst card any one can be dealt in life...but then any other thing just stacks on top of that.

If you are LGBT you have disadvantages, a woman, poor...etc. The worst thing is that if you are all of these things, it adds up. But acknowledging one is not ignoring the others.

Also that acknowledging that others may not get the best starting hand at life shouldn't mean that you had to work less.


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I agree, not only unsuccessful people complain about racial issues.

I think it is relevant, because many successful people that are members of group that perceives themselves as disadvantaged based on their personal experiences, discuss the difficulties they have faced.

I don't know how you quantify it. I suspect that more unsuccessful people complain than successful. The truth is most people (regardless of race) believe their failures are a result of something beyond their control.

I agree, but we cannot even agree on the level of obstacles.

Obstacles articulated by Thurgood Marshall? Lyndon Johnson? Malcolm X?

How much of it is poverty? It also opens the flood gates to other groups comparing their degree of obstacles faced.

It has become harder because everything is nuanced. We are not talking about the 13th Amendment or separate but equal.

What I do know is that there is still some degree of institutional racism and there is certainly some degree of racism amongst Americans. The issue is that the establishments and those that exercise power are overwhelmingly white. Even when efforts have been made to alleviate disadvantages, it has in some degree backfired.

 

Which is mostly true, very little about the factors that most dramatically influence outcomes in life is within your control, not who your parents are, etc. Even when you're an adult, most of the physical world around in which you live is completely outside of your control.

You can tilt the probabilities one way or the other but at the end of the day most of life is a roulette wheel.

 

Well said.

 

I agree with you..... you also have successful people that look introspectively and conclude that if they did it, anyone can.

I suspect it is a mixture of genetics (intelligence/appearance), environment (location/family/schooling) and effort (some people simply do not work as hard as others).

The issue I have is that many white people believe that is a minority reaches a level above their station in life, it is a result of either charity or government hand holding. You see it with our current President. There are people that believe he went to Harvard because he is black. However, GW Bush some how did not get into Yale because he was a Bush?

 

This is reasonable and a starting point for a discussion. Thanks for this.

 

How am I being disingenuous? You said the last line of the tweet was bad. The last line of the tweet was the single word "Shameful". I asked you if you in fact did not believe that the murder of that officer was shameful. Seems to me that you are arguing with yourself on this one.

 

And when you tell someone that they have disadvantages and that it should limit them then you have problems too. I get the point of the video, but that's another aspect of it as well. When society tells someone they are destined or likely to fail because of their background or skin color or sexual orientation or whatever then that thought does become ingrained in them.

The point someone in that video made about no amount of hard work or legislation will get you ahead is ridiculous as well. Hard work and pushing forward will never put you in a bad position in life, especially in a country as rich as America. There are multiple of examples of non-white ethnic groups in America that succeeded due to education and hard work in spite of their abhorrent institutionalized discrimination and exclusion from American society they experienced. If you do a game like that after WWII you'd think the Japanese immigrants would never have a chance in hell at making it in America. The same thing goes for the Chinese 70 years prior. I can't imagine what it's like being a Sikh in America today due to all the dumb ****s that thing they are terrorists.

I don't know...maybe I see the glass half full too often.

 

Saying Black Lives Matter is not suggesting others lives don't. That is interjected by people on the right who feel any movement looking for more equality is an attack on them

Like Christians who think when people push for gay marriage there is some attack against straight marriage.

 

The issue becomes complicated when the movement has founding leaders that strongly support the teaching of convinced cop killers, fund/sponsor speakers that have called for the killing of officers and race wars.

 

Yes, *** those people. Also, *** the people who use those idiots as evidence that law enforcement is infallible.

 

Sikhs have it rough no doubt. These people were India's warriors against invaders, particularly Muslims. Then you have a guy like Michael Wade Page killing six Sikhs who he assumed were Muslims. A guy the FEDs allowed to buy a gun even though he was a known Neo-Nazi Skinhead scumbag.

 

Are you suggesting people's constitutional rights should be taken away based on their political views?

 

But saying "Pigs in a blanket. Fry 'em like bacon" IS suggesting that, as well as advocating killing innocent people. And that isn't interjected by people on the right, it is put forward by the Black Lives Matter marchers. Which is why these things get contentious. Most people agree that black lives matter. But having advocates say things like that sways people against the movement, as well as creating situations that will make police even more suspect of black people. It does nothing but make the very situation they are marching against worse.

 

Good point.

And who funds BLM... Rich limousine liberals...???

 

I wonder if people actually looked at that march video and saw that it was the WHITE protesters that were near the front leading that chant. People really need to get over this black and white issue and see what the real problem is.

 

The main problem I had with the chant is that the organizer of the march did not denounce it. You can't control what folks may or may not say/do during one of these types of demonstrations, but he could have easily come out and said something like:

"that is not what we are about and it was an unfortunate few that chose to say those hateful remarks"