There's one thing those tmac orlando teams did. That was nothing. The rockets are a team with a history of playoff success. And a team with hall of fame legends. Hakeem, Moses, calvin, Hayes, etc. I understand this is a Kardashian, twitter generation of fans who love tmac He's like the kim Kardashian of the nba. Harden is better and he's already got Kardashian on it's knees. Bow down.
Agreed, the only thing that Harden has on McGrady is durability...and FG% and FT% and 3PT% and steals and Efficiency and assists.
Fun fact. Hakeem, tha great, has had double digit turnovers not once, not twice, but THREE times. And that information means absolutely nothing when comparing him to other players. http://bkref.com/tiny/wY4WQ The Harden hate and risicule by the usual suspects truly is baffling.
I dont recall McGrady ever playing in a WCF either. Harden has been better than McGrady. As aelliott has shown, pretty much all the numbers favor Harden. You have to be a special kind of moron to keep arguing against it. As for Dwight vs Howard, it is silly to bring head to head match up. Yes, Yao used to get better of Dwight in the head to head because of his size and because of Dwight forcing the issue with his limited post moves. The question is Dwight OR Yao. Not Yao vs Dwight. If I am playing against Dwight, I will take Yao to go against him. If I have to pick between the two, I am going to take Dwight every single time. Yao was neutralized more often than not because 1) He had a tendency to lose confidence in his game and would stop being aggressive 2) Fronting defense always gave him problems. While Dwight's offense has its own uncertainties, his defense and rebounds in the playoffs has always been stellar. In two different playoffs, Dwight has averaged close to 3.5 blockers per game, something Yao despite his height could never achieve. In three different playoff years Dwight has averaged 15+ rebounds per game, far far better than Yao Ming's best playoff numbers. Those who are thinking Yao was a good rebounder (seriously?)......Game 7 at home, closing seconds......Yao Ming failed to secure defensive rebounds on multiple tries. Game over. Series over. I will take Dwight Howard's iffy offense + Boss rebounding + elite paint defense over Yao Ming's hope-he-does-not-fronted post game + mediocre rebounding + good paint defense any day. Even in his two years as a Houston Rockets (not even counting his Magic days), Dwights rebounding and paint defense is much better than Yao's ever was as a Rocket in a playoff series/year. Also, despite Dwight's offense being a big question mark, Yao Ming's numbers are not really any better. They have both been good to very good on offense in the playoff games they have played.
Exactly. If you're a star then it's likely that you'll handle the ball a lot and the more that you handle the ball, the more likely that you'll get turnovers. Here's the top 25 players with the most turnovers in NBA history. That's a pretty impressive list of players. Karl Malone John Stockton Jason Kidd Kobe Bryant Moses Malone Isiah Thomas Hakeem Olajuwon Patrick Ewing Magic Johnson Reggie Theus Steve Nash Paul Pierce Charles Barkley Shaquille O'Neal Tim Duncan Allen Iverson Scottie Pippen Robert Parish Kevin Garnett Mark Jackson Andre Miller LeBron James Gary Payton Clyde Drexler Michael Jordan
Harden's season last year outdid anything McGrady ever did with the Rockets. Hardly even debatable, really.
Zboy You don't understand? If you add 10 what if scenarios together, mcgrady owns harden. Let's think this through. What if he was healthy What if he has better teammates What if he didn't miss those shots What if we had shaq instead of yao What if the refs didn't screw us in one game What if utah didn't take us to 7 What if his teammates passed him the ball more in the Toronto game What if the 10 doctors fixed his knee or back or spine Don't forgot orlando tmac was on the same level as Michael Jordan except jordan winning the mvp and championship
Tmac had SEVERLEY less talent around him, played in horrible system with virtually no fastbreak opportunities, and had defenses soley focused on him 99% of the time. What does that mean? It means he was forced to take tons of bad shots. Either that or pass to David Wesley smh. You take a prime Tmac and put him our current roster, we'd be the best team in the league.
Tmac's teammates SEVERELY lacked a legit alpha leader on the team. You take a prime tmac on the Titanic, that ship will sink like a rock in a goldfish bowl. Take your prime tmac and use it tie Harden's shoes
The rockets didn't get tmac so rockets fans and reminisce about tmac when he scored lots of points in a terrible eastern conference. They got him to lead a team to a championship. He failed so hard. Its like failing 1st grade over and over again. This is an organization with hakeem and moses for God's sake. Anything they did kills Tmac's orlando years like sharks killing baby seals.
Harden has been better than anything Tmac produced here. Yao was alot better than Dwight has shown here.
Except his teammates went on to second round WITHOUT him and even pushed the eventual champs to 7 games. Ron Artest had more success in the limited time with McGrady's role players than McGrady himself did. It's always someone else's fault for McGrady's pitiful 0-7 playoff record.
Man, each duo has their faults, and they happen to be big ones for each set. Supporting cast for each duo I consider a wash. I'm far more sceptical of our current roster than most I think. I think Tracy's talent level was off the charts. I offset that with Harden's durability that I hope holds up. So I call it a wash between those two, but Harden is young and could really prove to be something special. Yao was frustrating with his turnovers, but far less frustrating than Howard's futility at the FT line. Yao's post game puts Dwight's to shame. The closest thing we've seen to The Dream Shake, the Shanghai Shake! Edge, Yao. My heart says TMac and Yao. I was just so emotionally invested in those guys for some reason. Although Dwight is fairly injury prone too, it *seemed* like Tracy and Yao never played together, haha.
and a much better supporting cast. Which in turn has a direct affect on overall team success.. Such as making it to the Western Conference Finals. But yeah, let's ignore that crucial piece of information.
The crucial piece is that tmac quits on teams. Toronto, orlando, houston, Atlanta All of them move on to playoff series victories and more after he leaves.
Breaking the NBA turnover record with 13 turnovers in the Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals, is a bit different than getting double digit turnovers in regular season games.
tinman, did you really hate Tmac when he was on the Rockets? Did you not watch the games in the 05 Mavs, and 07 Utah series? If you actually watched those games. How could you hate the guy? How could you say he quit? Or did you start hating him after the 'Toronto game'?
