Zach Lowe: Terrence Jones could be asking for $15M per year

The problem is that talking about Jones shooting 35% from 3 last season is like talking about Dwight Howard's 50% from 3 last season. Add in the post-season to make the sample a little larger and that number drops to 28.5%....Jones is a fairly poor 3 point shooter and he knows it.

 

I agree and I'll do you one better to help drive your point. In the month of March last year, D-Mo shot 44.7% (!!!!!!) for the 3, and TJ shot 38.5%(!) from the 3. D-Mo doesn't have a quick shot per say, he just knows what he's going to do with it. TJ has options. His gather is slow but you see him do that to bait the defender into coming in to cover him so he can drive. Parsons was a good comparison by Jake Tower, except that Parsons pump fakes 5000 times more than TJ and doesn't have TJ's level of handles and ability to create his own shot 1on1. TJ can mess with people. Parsons needs to pump and go, no more moves.

D-Mo only shot like 12 more 3 pt attempts than Jones despite play in more than twice as many games last year due to TJ's injury. That shows you that TJ is much more willing to let it fly. Or at least, he is in a position to let it fly. D-Mo was spending lots of time at the 5 for Dwight clogging the paint, or working that beautiful low post game he has instead of trying to stretch the floor.

All in all, GONE are the days of Josh Smith shooting at will twice as many attempts as TJ & DMO with a percentage in the lower 30s. Ugh. Even at it's best it was still not something you would want to hang your coat on night in & night out.

 

DMo took 133 three point attempts last season, Jones took 37.....Now I went to public school, but the last time I checked 133 wasn't "like 12 more" than 37. Perhaps I should check again.

 

Look at rate stats. DMo shoots about 50% more often than TJ on a per minute basis. Also, it is closer to 100 extra three point attempts for the season.

 

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That math sure got you. Ouch.

 

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It used to be like that but since then JV has failed to develop (actually even regressed) and DMO has taken the opposite route.
Maybe some lithuanian poster can chime in, but JV progress is extremely dissapointing and so the view of them has also changed.

But JV is also very young. If he manages to lose some of his bulk and regain his agility so he doesn't get tired, and he learns not to foul so much so he can stay in the game more than 20 minutes...and he develops a defensive awareness and gets more involved in offence..:grin:
But his bball IQ isn't very high.
I personally don't think that this is a bargain contract for the Raptors but it could be much much worse if they didn't extend him right now.
And who knows maybe JV actually grows his basketball iq. Bigs develop slowly and later.

Next up is the extensions of Ross and Henson and MKG that should interest Rockets fan as somewhat of an indication of what to expect for Jones and DMO. It's the best we have as evidence of what is coming on next year.
But DMO >>>>>JV right now. It just so happens that one was a very high pick and the other wasn't.

 

Honestly, i feel bad for JV, he's the entire frontcourt on his team and he's just not good enough to be in that role....not many are. I think if the Raptors had a legitimate starting PF instead of basically a tallish SF playing PF it would help his game.

Unfortunately that's not going to happen, which is why if I'm him, I look to bail on them as quickly as possible.

 

Casey shemes haven't helped him but honestly he has only himself to blame for his lack of defence. The team just haven't done much to hide him, so far. But it's the last chance of Casey to involve him otherwise he will get ousted.
So in the end the final number is 16 per for 3+1. And most is based of this contract is only based on potential because right now he contributes for a 7-8 per player.

 

Safe to assume the chatter about Terrence being an average to good 3-point shooter is done at this point?

 

I haven't read through this entire thread but I'll assume you have been involved in some extensive argument of how little you think Terrence Jones is worth.

But, regarding the shooting question, I'm not sure what the videos you provided are evidence of. The first post was of random practice/D-league shots from Jones. The second post was of only D-mo makes. That's not really useful for any quantitative of qualitative comparison.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Fancy words. No substance.

 

Pretty cool seeing someone work on TJones release... Like just watching the video of his FT's...His lack of consistency has a ton to do with how much extra motion he has for his shot. Sways way too much for his FT's. If he could find a more consistent and quicker release, Terrence would see his shooting percentage improve dramatically.

 

I honestly cringe inside every time I see this thread bumped back to the top of the first page.

Jones is not a 15mill a year player. If he honestly thinks he is, then he is deluded.

Said it before and i'll say it again, he is too much finesse and not enough grunt.

He has some decent handle and can beat guys off the dribble but then he'll throw up some fade away junk when he meets a defender at the bucket. Pisses me off every time.

And it's not like his J is good enough to cover for that issue.

He is a bit player. And one that has been too often injured.

MLE level talent at best.

 

Only they're not accomplishing a thing. Terrence continues to drag his shooting hand and arm across his body to the right side and curl up and release in a trajectory that is constantly slicing because he is pulling it back across from right to left.. This right-to-left release motion not only throws off his release but it forces his trunk to be twisted and he can't even jump with his weight distributed evenly on both legs.

Frankly, I can't believe anybody is paying for that kind of coaching. Because it's obvious what's wrong with Terrence's shot and percent doctor ain't addressing it.

 

Because you posted a highlight reel with Jones missing some shots and a highlight reel of all of Motiejunas' makes?

Before this year, Motiejunas was a sub 30% 3 point shooter. Jones is a year younger - there's no reason to be certain that Jones can't make the same jump (and in fact a smaller one).

 

There's even more no reason to think that Terrence is going to adjust his stroke and become a positive shooter. He can't even hit 50% on 8-footers shot in an open gym with no audience nor defenders around him.

 

it's not THAT much smaller, Jones currently has made 29% of the 3's he's shot in games that count. That's not much better than the 27% DMo hit going into last season where he shot right under 37%.

DMo jumped 10%, Jones would have to jump 8% to match that.

 

Don't remember anybody ever trying to argue Jones was a "good" 3 point shooter. Just a capable one, which is true.