Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

Right, blacks in the U.S. faced different discrimination and oppression than blacks in France, or Italy.

There is a reason why the statement Trabajo como un negro in Spain isn't really offensive, and is an accepted idiom. But in English in the United States it would be totally offensive. There is a totally different history with oppression, when slavery ended in those places, the way slaves were treated in the first place, the oppression after slavery ended, the continued discrimination etc.

To use someone's name as a basis to make the judgment that they are a racist a-hole, is silly, and foolish, and making judgments based on nothing.

Maybe it's a way to remember those names and associate them with the race that contributed huge amounts to this American culture. Maybe the problem is that people who don't like those names can't handle the fact they are associated with the creation of music, dance, fashion, that most of the world now sees as American.

 

I'm sure that's what they convince themselves of...

Anyway my point is that dumb assholes who feel the need to invent names to stand apart from everyone else based on their race really shouldn't get butt-hurt if they are seen or treated different from those who don't go out of their way to stand apart based on their race....in fact, they should be happy that it worked!

People who go out of their way to appear as if they are an outsider will be treated as outsiders most of the time.


Let's hope at some point the madness ends and the American culture can be more unified.

 

The onus should be on the individual who feels it is necessary to treat another individual like an 'outsider' because of a name not to treat the individual like an 'outsider'.

 

I think it's clear you really don't like black people. I mean, you're mocking their names now?

The fact is why should a "black" sounding name get someone passed over for a job. It's not because their name is odd, it's because it's their race. You just can't admit that racism exists in this country - probably because you are a racist.

 

As I recall you have been trained by the 4th or 5th best law school in California (hastings? I hope no darks took your rightful place at Boalt), then you should realize that moving the goalposts ex post is what we call "a total b**** move" in legal terms, so the Pyrrhic fight remains unfulfilled.

I said that "technically" many Jim Crow era laws were still in effect (though as you rightly observe, certainly unenforceable at this stage, as most white racists tend to emphasize in order to bolster their cause). Despite your insistence to the contrary, this is in fact the case, as you found out.

Perhaps they did not teach you at Hastings something I was not taught at Chicago either (and didn't pick up until later in practice ) - in a trial, at least, never ask a witness a question you don't already know the answer to.

I am heartened by your reasoning that attempts to negatively impact the turnout of minority voters are unlawful; Eric Holder and Richard Posner would certainly agree.

 

I think the point is that anyone who thinks people are dumb assholes for having black names are the real assholes.

There should be no negative connotation whatsoever for being black or having a name that leads people to think that you're black.

You also mentioned that having that name sets you apart from other people. Why? Why can't those names just be part of normal society, and not have to set anyone apart.

Actually it could if folks were just a little more accepting. There's no reason why any of those names couldn't be part of U.S. mainstream culture.

 

I don't see how Bobby's logic is any different than blaming a girl for being raped because she wore a skirt.

 

I don't think there should be such a thing as a "black name" or a "white name" I think people who create the environment for that to happen are dumb assholes.

If you look around the world, no other group of people have names based on race....it's only in America, and largely only since the 60's and 70's.

I get that you failed to follow along and I accept your failure.

 

Are you serious? What about Native Americans? Or East Indians, or pretty much any non-Christian culture.

 

Their names are based on their culture, not the color of their skin. The assholes that decided in the 60's and 70's to start naming their children based on the color of their skin are pretty much the only people to do that. The specific black people I'm talking about are Americans.....that's their culture. They decided that they should break with their culture because they wanted black people to be different from everyone else. You don't see that elsewhere.

 

It's irrelevant why those names came to be. But I get that you are forced to quibble over an irrelevant topic (the origins of these names) because you have failed to provide a valid reason why people should be discriminated based upon their names no matter what it is.

 

Hundreds of millions of Chinese are named Benjamin, John, Carl, Judy, etc. lol

Bobby just digs up more and more arbitrary nonsense to defend his absurdity. It's the ultimate clown show.

 

It's very relevant. The "why" is always relevant.

If people want to stand apart from the culture they are living in, then they'll stand apart and it won't be as easy for them as those who don't stand apart from the culture they are living in. Simple as that.

 

I don't think it's racist... I think it's agenda driven for other interest groups. The liberal mainstream media always uses black folks to cover up other agendas. That's why many believe affirmative action is for black native folks because that's who the mainstream media parades around about affirmative action and hardly (or never) mentions the fact that white women are the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action.

I've noticed that many times when BLM discussions are going on in the mainstream media _ "gun control" is mentioned.

And I've also noticed that not many (if any) question why BLM groups aren't making more of a fuss (if they are at all) about abortion clinics if black lives truly matter.

Racism is a great distraction from other issues that are going on. When the shooting in S.C. happened _ there was more talk in the mainstream media about the confederate flag (and as usual "gun control") than about the trade bill.

I don't see how a list of names used by black female can be made if Keisha and Tamika are left off the list... So that list is fraudulent... Lol...

And on the list for black male names... Willie is probably short for William...

 

hypothetically let's say what you're saying is true (it's not). When these people are passed up for jobs, they are not passed up because "they're trying to stand out", they are passed up because they are black. The extent that you are willing to come up with arguments to defend racist behavior is disturbing.

 

The problem is that you can't accept the fact that the names you are complaining about are now part of the American culture, not apart from it.

 

She's half black and half white. But I swear the girl with her or her main co-activist, Mara Williford is a Samoan or something....

 

So why are you designating people with those names apart from the culture instead of including them as part of the culture?

Maybe you don't understand where American culture comes from. You do realize that contributions to what is in fact American culture and has been for at least a century or more comes, at least in part, from race. When the contributions of music, dance, fashion, etc. have all come from the culture of Black people in the united states often because of slavery, their oppression, etc.

Then you should face the very real fact that race has played a part in the making of AMERICAN CULTURE.

 

Jamal isn't based on culture? Or DeAndre? What are they based on?

Who are you to decide that black people have to give their kids white sounding names to assimilate and not be discriminated against.

Your argument even if it does have any logic to it is completely irrelevant! People shouldn't be discriminated against because their parents named them Jamal! How is Jamal goofy?

Even if you accept your argument (which I am not), if shouldn't matter if you are named Jamal. Passing on someone's resume because they are named Jamal instead of Richard is racist. Plain and simple.

If you don't see that, then you are part of the problem.

 

That's certainly not the case if they are "Black names" rather than being just "American names". Anyway, I don't expect several of you to agree, it would require thinking outside your preconceived notions.

Suffice it to say that I still find it hilarious that some whine about being treated differently when they do everything in their power to be perceived as different....and that's not just speaking about members of any one subculture.