Black Lives Matter is an honorable movement and is in no way racist

Do you mean stupid names like Denzel Washington, LeBron James, and Beyonce...???

Who died and made you King Dick to judge who's name is stupid just because they're not named Robert...?

 

Okay a few things here

1. it's not me having a problem with any name, I don't personally care that your mom named you Mercedes or Jarshikia or whatever, what we're talking about is the fact that people with goofy ass names like that often have more trouble getting jobs no matter who the employer. There's a natural bias against those with names that are just stupid.

2. There's a difference between a foreign name sounding funny to Americans and an American who simply decided to name their child something stupid on a whim. Hopefully you'll understand that.

 

Why are you struggling to follow along with this conversation so much? Do you have an answer or not?

 

I've already answered that question... I told you there are plenty of black males with "common American" names who's applications get passed over so it's not the name... Most black men I know have common names (black folks love the bible).

And you thinking names like Denzel, LeBron, etc is stupid is your personal taste.

 

No, you haven't answered the question....and what you have said is pretty embarrassingly stupid. You're probably better than that, so I'll give you another chance.

Maybe it would help if I posted the question again.

Note how there's nothing in there about my personal opinion on the matter.

If you feel up to the task, feel free to try again at answering the question. Maybe think things out a little bit more before this attempt.

 

Calling something stupid like a name is a personal preference... And which I've already stated if there are a lot of people like you who judge people by their names than parents should take that under consideration.

And I believe some of the names you've mentioned are a very small percentage if any.

 

The premise (which wasn't even mine) of the entire discussion was that people with goofy ass names have a harder time getting a job. I see why you are struggling so much now.

 

No the premise was that similarly qualified people with names most often owned by black applicants are overlooked in favor of names most often owned by white applicants. You spend all your time giving us your Bobby logic (that name is stooooopid) that you don't have the first clue what actually goes on in society or how to fix it.

 

I can only spell things out to you, I can't make you understand.

 

And they should beat the hell out of their folks for giving them those names. LOL, hopefully they managed to overcome those awful names.

 

Planned Parenthood is responsible only for the abortions they perform (sharing responsibility with the person seeking the abortion). If I ever blamed any abortions not performed by PP on PP, it was a mistake on my part to do so.

You have turned three issues into two with your sentence here. Hobby Lobby says that a closely held corporation does not have to pay for insurance which provides contraception, if doing so runs afoul of their religious beliefs. Free access to contraceptives for the urban poor is not at all affected by Hobby Lobby, because even the tiny amount of urban poor working for closely held corporations that have a religious objection to contraception are paying into their health insurance program, and thus access or non-access to contraception therein would not be free. Defunding Planned Parenthood you correctly recognized as a separate issue, but for some reason came to the conclusion that all people that oppose government funding of abortion also oppose government funding of contraceptives. I don't believe those groups are one and the same. Although all of the people that oppose government funding of contraception likely also oppose government funding of abortion, the reverse is not true, of which I am proof.

If there were no Planned Parenthood, someone else would shoulder the overwhelming burden of the urban poor.

I don't think societal factors absolve people of individual responsibility. If two kids **** out of wedlock, it is their choice, not the fault of TV or Movies. If a black kid doesn't do his homework, that is his fault, not the fault of slavery. The data provides context and has predictive value of who will make those choices, but ultimately the choices are up to the individual.

Yes I am. It is the plane of logic and reason, where unplanned pregnancy is cause by two people having sex without a condom, not a movement to defund Planned Parenthood and robbery is cause by a person choosing to rob another person, not by slavery happening further back in history than anyone alive today was around to see. You should join me here. There is no great effort required to figure out who is responsible for any given action, and consequences are immediate. There are tons of institutions up here, like the criminal justice system, where the status of your ancestors as free or slave is never presented to a jury, but whether or not you stabbed the victim is. I think you would ultimately be happier on my plane than down there on your plane of trying to trace effect back to a cause 200 years ago.

There are two kinds of cause recognized in the law. There is "but for" cause (but for you being born, we would not be having this discussion, therefor, your birth is a but for cause of this discussion) and there is proximate cause (if I didn't take the time to type out this response, it wouldn't be posted, therefor, my typing out this response and pressing "save," since this is an edit, is the proximate cause of this response being posted.) But for causes can be traced back to the big bang/creation, but the further back you go the more attenuated the cause. Proximate causes cut off liability in the law, because liability could otherwise be traced back forever to Lucy/Adam.

This is true, and yet the son/grandson/great grandson are still provided with free will and can choose there own path. If your grandfather is murdered in 1900, and you father is denied a loan, and you are not given a promotion, and we accept that all of those things happened because they and you are/were black, that does not stop you from now choosing to live a virtuous life, or use birth control, or join the military and have them pay for college, etc.

Certainly there were at some point in time white people in power that cause black people to have a worse lot in life. Some of that worse lot has propagated forward through time, and some has not. There is not currently some white antagonist that prevents black people from using birth control at the same rate as white people. There is not currently some white antagonist that forces individual black people to commit murder at a rate at least 6 times higher than white people. Even if they started out in life living poor in a ghetto with a single mother and you can trace all of that back to slavery, that doesn't absolve the individual of making those choices. No statistically significant number of people are forced to have unplanned pregnancies or commit crimes, they choose to do so. Even if their circumstances make the right choice seem harder and the wrong choice seem easier, the choice is still there for them to make. But that is just the view from up here on the plane of logic and reason. I'm sure it looks different from the plane of victimhood and blame. I can't believe I was accused of making woe is me posts.

 

If people in power think like you do, they won't.

Because in the so called land of opportunity, you'll have a harder time getting said opportunity because of something as simple as a name.

 

That's just reality. Cry yourself to sleep about it all you like, but studies have shown that your name matters and that's completely separate from race issues.

 

Yes, but it relates to your race when your race can be identified by a name.

To say it has NOTHING to do with race is just stupid and dishonest.

 

It's also funny that this is supposed to be the land of opportunity but you are fine with people having less opportunities because of their name.

 

It doesn't matter who has the random ass goofy name. Let's also remember that black people giving their children random ass goofy names is a fairly recent trend....one that should probably stop. There is no point to naming your kid something ridiculous like "Uneak" or "La-a (pronounced ladasha)"....or rather I see no point, if you do, please educate me.

Oh, it is the land of opportunity, and people can overcome really dumb names (or legally change them), the point was that their parents shouldn't do that to them in the first place. Also of note, when they do studies they find that employers of all races tend to balk at the over the top stupid names that some people give their kids.

 

^^^^^^^
Racism 101


Rocket River

 

I haven't said anything even remotely racist.

 

A name is a name. LeBron given to some random kid before the year 2003 and his NBA debut was probably considered one of those goofy dumb names too in the states. The name spiked in popularity thanks to of course LeBron James.

Uneak may sound dumb, until some really special person with that name comes along.

It's not up to me to tell people how to name their children though, or what's the point of La-a. I rather people have the freedom to name their kids whatever they like and there not be consequences for that.

Yes, the reason to your second point is still race. The reason for this is stereotypes. I say Shaniqua and you have a image in your head of who that names belong to...same for Darnell or DeShawn or whatever. It still relates to race though.

Black people stereotype other black people too. It still doesn't make it right, especially when it comes to opportunities.