Roughly 86% of homicides involving a white victim have been solved compared to 45% involving a black victim and 56% involving a Hispanic victim. The races of 34 victims are unknown. “Manhattan is treated differently than the outer boroughs because that’s where the money is," said Joseph Giacalone, 44, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice who retired last year as commanding officer of the Bronx Cold Case squad. He was also director of the NYPD’s homicide school. Giacalone said Manhattan homicides “get probably double the amount of cops that you see in Brooklyn,” partly in response to the heightened media attention. “It’s just part of the deal.” http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-murder-rate-cases-unsolved-article-1.1566572 Your turn.
Except you are still forgetting that not all Hispanics would necessarily be counted as "white". Even accepting what you and Stupidmoniker are saying it is only looking at the rate of violent crimes committed there are two other factors that skew it. One is as you note there is a built in bias to the crime reporting figures as you note LE is more present in black communities than whites and as you stated a white offender might less likely be caught than a black offender. The second though is why use violent crime as the basis? Not all cases of where a civilian is killed by LE involve violent crimes. In fact most of the outcry is about non-violent offense such as traffic stops.
I'm going to applaud bmd for the making an evidence based argument and providing statistic and math. That said this is a good point. His argument is based upon an apriori argument that there is no bias in enforcement since it is based upon crimes committed (from arrests or convictions?). Looking at the figures though would point to possibly greater issues than whether LE are killing more blacks than whites but also at the question of why are the crimes committed statistics so out of line with the the population percentages?
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I don't know if you are arguing two different issues or not It is pretty much a fact that black people in America per capita commit more violent crimes compared to other races, and this leads to high police presence in black communities and arrest rates. And it is reasonable to assume that this would lead to more encounters with the police and therefore more deaths per capita of deaths of black people by the police. I don't think people are straight up denying that either considering it is obvious the socio-economic conditions in black communities allows more violent/street crimes to be committed. However, I think the whole black lives matter thing is more focused on discrimitory behaviour or culture within law enforcement that not only happen when responding to violent crime but in people's everyday lives. It's things like stop and frisk, traffic stops, out of protocol behaviour during arrests etc. that targets certain races that people want to see changes in. I mean sure there are mislead people that think police are out there just to murder black people, but i think the issue should be about discriminating culture that happen in everyday lives rather than one or two incidents.
Every group has an agenda. Of course blacklivesmatter# has an agenda, otherwise there would be no reason for it to exist. Also, the numbers are pretty strong posted by BMD, and we were aware of similar numbers when I worked in the DA. People may dislike the statistics, and try to make minor corrections or objections, but the numbers are overwhelming. What isn't addressed and is harder to calculate, is how much of it is a result of systemic racism and how much of it is poverty? How much of it is apathy in portions in the black community (poverty breeds apathy). So the raw numbers speak for themselves, but it is like looking at two different pay checks, one may earn more money, but it doesn't tell you WHY one earns more than the other.
No, there are many people that deny it and will argue against it because it isn't what they want to hear, or they believe that pointing out the numbers some how validate racism (it doesn't). Blacklivesmatter# is like Occupy Wall Street, there are too many agendas and too many differing opinions. There are some leaders that are very extreme, and there are others that simply want peace and harmony. At this point it is almost mob rule. Having said that, no one should assume anything about someone supporting such a cause.
Well, race issues have certainly contributed to the poverty, thus the high concentration of African Americans in poverty. My point is poverty often leads to poor decisions, no matter the color of your skin.
The vast majority of Hispanics in the USA are not "Black Hispanics". NYC has a fair amount because of the Dominican and Puerto Rican communities up there. But throughout the country, the vast majority of Hispanics would be considered "White" in the FBI data. And I know not everyone killed has committed a violent crime... but most of them have. You can look at the Washington Post link I posted somewhere in this thread... it gives a summary of every single police killing that has happened this year. And when you read through it, the vast majority are cases where the police has been called because of something violent. You can read the summaries yourself to see. And you are right... there should be outcry about police using excessive force in situations that don't call for it. But that is a police problem.. not a white or black problem. And honestly, a policeman killing someone for no good reason for a traffic stop is so rare that there isn't even any controversey when it happens. The officer is arrested and the story goes away almost immediately. Remember the officer in South Carolina that shot the man fleeing in the back? There is nothing to protest because he was charged with murder. Or that cop in Cincinnati that shot that guy in the head. That story didn't get much play because the officer was charged with murder. All of these other cases aren't so cut and dry.
The Black population is relatively small to the rest of the country so factoring in how many of those might actually be Hispanic would have a bearing on the statistics. The outcry of Black Lives Matter though is primarily focused around cases where violent crime wasn't the initial focus of the police action. The Garner case didn't involve a violent crime, neither did the Samuel Dubose case, and the Ferguson case started not because Officer Wilson was trying to apprehend Michael Brown for a violent crime but because Michael Brown was walking in the middle of street. In almost every case that Black Lives Matter has protested about it wasn't that the LEO was responding to a case of a violent crime but that they were responding to something that was seemingly innocuous such as jay walking or selling cigarettes illegally.
"Black Hispanics account for 2.5% of the entire U.S. Hispanic population." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans So 97.5% of the Hispanic crime stats are going in the "White" category, and only 2.5% are going in the "Black" category. And in the Ferguson case, Michael Brown robbed a store. The policeman stopped him for blocking traffic in the street, but Michael Brown didn't know that. And the reason he was shot was that he was fighting with the cop. In the Eric Garner case, yeah, they were kind of rough with him. But the reason for that is he was resisting arrest. He may have been arrested for something petty, but even so, you can't just resist arrest and expect the cops to politely and gently place you on the ground and put the cuffs on. We saw the video... the cops didn't mean to kill him. There was no reason to believe what the cops were doing would result in the guy dying. It was a freak thing. And even with all of that... these cases are very rare exceptions.
