Zach Lowe: Terrence Jones could be asking for $15M per year

So you think DMo doesn't block shots because the coaches tell him not to?

I can agree with Rodman, but not too sure about the rest. Silas and Buck Williams?

And Oakley was good, but during his era the elite post defenders were clearly guys like Hakeem, Robinson, Mutombo and Ewing averaging 3+ blocks per game.

 

Well they only name 4-5 Bigs to AllD teams in any given season ...

Oak, Buck & Paul made 11 of those between them, which means 11 times they were in the recognized as the Top 3-5% defensively among their Big peers ...

I'd call Top 3-5% as ELITE in any group

I saw Oak led the league in DWAR several times ... wasn't Draymond Green an ELITE Def Big last season?

 

Whoops ... Oak never led in DWS
Highest finish of 6.8 still good for 3rd in NBA in 86

Still better than 5.2 for Draymond last year
And Draymond only avg 0.8 BpG career
Isnt he ELITE Def PF currently?

 

11 times out of like 50 seasons. Again, you're just expanding the word elite to include pretty good defenders.

Draymond Green also another guy who is pretty good. And he blocked 1.3 shots per game despite the fact that he logged time at center (something that has been made into an excuse for dmo).

So not sure what you're point is there. He kinda makes Dmo look bad.

Would you say Green is a better defender than dmo?

 

I'll take Rick Adelman's opinion and mine own eyes over yours.

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Even if Chuck Hayes was an elite NBA post defender like Dennis Rodman (still quite skeptical)...I hate to break it to you, DMo is no Chuck Hayes.

 

Chuck Hayes from 6 years ago was a great defender. I don't know what he can do anymore, though.

 

He might be the best defensive PF on the roster.

 

Draymond finished 2nd in entire NBA in DWS ... how is top 2 in anything not ELITE by anyone's definition?

Best defender on best Def team in the league that also won the ring
Plus he's been top 5 in Def Rtg & Def +/- for past 2 seasons ... again, how can you define ELITE as anything else?
Top 1???

And 1.3 BPG this season was Draymond's new career high playing 31 MPG
Previous 2 yrs he only avg 0.6 BPG in 18

Yes he is a tremendous Def player lightyears beyond anything DMo or TJ will ever become

My point is that as Draymond, Rodman and others have proven you can be an ELITE Def PF without blocking a bunch of shots

I don't see making multiple AllD teams and finishing Top3 in major Def metrics as expanding the definition of anything ... all of the guys I mentioned have done it repeatedly

Our 2 will probably never make even 1 team or have 1 Top3 finish combined ...

But I have yet to see another Rockets starting PF get torched so bad defensively in a Playoffs series that the HC had to make a mid-series lineup switch that became permanent for the remainder of the playoffs ...

That HAS happened to TJ, not Dmo ...
And it happened in 2 consecutive years
He has left that sour taste in my mouth twice now

My last memory of DMo was him holding down the fort inside for months, on his own, while Josh got acclimated and Dwight + TJ recovered .... I've never seen anything like that from TJ

 

Not sure why you keep bringing up Jones in a discussion about whether DMo is an elite defender.

Green is on a whole other level, and 1.3 is a decent shotblocking rate for the way he's asked to play.

 

Curious what you think the market will pay for DMo and Jones next offseason?? Give me a number for each ....

 

I don't know what the cap will be next year. But if it was this year's cap, then probably 12-14 for DMO and 9-10 for Jones.

But with the increasing cap next year and minimum salaries team must carry, I could see both guys getting way overpaid.

 

WHAT!!!!!! please do not put DMO and elite rim protector in the same sentence. And he's not on that level of elite in the low post either. Can he get there, sure but he's not there yet. You have to put in more than a years work to be in that class.

And why do you guys always come on here and talk Jones down but want to over hype Dmo. Good lawd they are both major contributors on our team and will be key components in our quest to winning a championship.

 

Ain't nobody on here acting like those overzealous Lin's fans, especially not for T. Jones or any other Rockets player. You and Holic been talking the man's game down since day 1. A few members have disagreed with y'all assessments of his game and that's all. The Coach and the GM doesn't share y'all opinion so are they considered Lin-esque fans as well?

 

Jones has beaten out Dmo for the starting spot every year since they've been a Rocket. So how in the world is that overrating him. So I guess the coaching staff overrates him as well, they are the ones that started Jones over Dmo for 2 straight years.

Oh and tell me why DMO couldn't beat out this bench player bro? LOL If Jones starts again this year can you please stop it with this bench players nonsense?

 

c'mon exept Hou, and meybe Cuban most of the league even if know dmo and tj are not as sold as we think, for as some think does dmo vs love trade is good, and i bet cleveland cor that trade laugth as we sugest love for nothink. I think Morey have all tools to keep one or both of them(not even close to max) mark my word!

 

He is right.... By his definition Donatas will not come short of a Top 12 player next year... yeah yeah yeah

Elite this elite that .....

 

LOL yeah I see him and a few others are never wrong. They are indeed, " The Great Eye" for NBA talent.

 

DMo is not an elite defender, he is a very smart positional defender. Why are we arguing this?

DD

 

On a game telecast Matt Bullard threw out a stat early in the season that ranked him in the top 10, and some folks here heard that, got it in their head, and didn't pay attention to the rest of the season & how that same stat looked with an entire years worth of data.

I will say that I do think D-Mo is a good positional defender at the 5 spot. At the 4 spot with quicker stretch guys, he's not as effective from what I see (guys like Draymond Green were nightmare matchups for him in the regular season).

Rim protection does involve more than blocking shots though, and I do think that from what D-Mo showed us early in the year, that he's capable of being a starting center in the NBA eventually on a good defensive team... again.... EVENTUALLY.

But the data we had early in the season to back that up quickly dissipated once D-Mo's role on the team grew offensively, and in the back half of the season when he clearly was not right health wise, and also forgot how to rebound.

If D-Mo can do all the things he's shown he can be good at in stretches together at the same time for a full season, I'll be damned if he's not a all-star caliber player, but getting everything from him for a full season is the catch. We gotta wait and see what he can do this year, and moving forward.