Zach Lowe: Terrence Jones could be asking for $15M per year

We need to offer 20MM between TJ and DMo and ask them to split it

 

15 mil for DMo, 5 mil for Jones, sounds fair.

 

1. Bev will probably be traded this season.

2. You didn't answer the question.

If Terrence would have been a free agent this off season, what team would have paid him a starting salary of $11.67 million?

 

Worst someone can say is no!

 

1. So if Bev will be traded or even to be waived this season, does it mean that his contract will be voided?

2. If you still can not figure out the answer to your question, read my question above and my previous comments again.

 

If Terrence would have been a free agent this off season, what team would have paid him a starting salary of $11.67 million?



Ed Davis got paid 3/20
Brandan Wright 3/18
T. Chandler 4/52
K. Koufas 4/33
O. Asik 5/60
B. Biyombo 2/10
M. Teletovic 1/5.5
K. Garnett 2/16
K. O'Quinn 4/16
A. Ajinca 4/20
J. Jerebko 2/10
L. Allen 3/12
J. Smith 1/4.3
N. Bjelica 3/11.7
Dk. Williams 2/10
A. Baynes 3/20
A. Johnson 2/24
T. Rob 2/vet minimum
B. Bass 1/vet minimum
J. Smith 1/vet minimum
T. Hansbrough 1/vet minimum

This was the market for middle-of-the-road, less-than-max big men this summer. Do you think Terrence is better than ALL of these guys?

WHAT TEAM would have given Terrence 3 or 4 years starting at $11.67 million this last summer?

 

Probably not many due to injurys,but coming into next season healthy with Ty Lawson spoon feeding him alot of teams will bro.

 

The problem you have there is DMO and the two rookies all combined have a total of 5 minutes of playoff experience and this team is trying to win a championship now!!!

 

SO you have DMo and the rookies with 5 minutes of playoff experience and you have Jones with 574 minutes of being completely worthless in the playoffs.....I think we can afford to lose the defensive sieve with the 13.6% career 3 point percentage in the playoffs if one or both of the rookies step up and DMo is healthy.

 

NO.....they won't. $11.67 million is $15 million in next year's money.


IF Terrence comes back and is still the same reluctant, inefficient shooter, and the same slow-minded poor-to-mediocre defender, and the same crappy rebounder who doesn't have a definite position because he's too small to play the 5 and the bigger 4's and he's simply too slow and uncoordinated to play the 3, IF that same Terrence comes back for the 4th year in a row...his free agent market will be negligible.

For Terrence to earn a contract starting at $15 million he's got to outperform at an astounding rate over his first 3 seasons. Hopefully he does and we trade him for a future first rounder. But for anybody to have that as an expectation at this point is laughable.

 

Self awareness is the first step to improvement,

and the first step is admitting you have a problem, and that's true in every aspect of life.

Funny thing is you started to pull a LOF's tactic of "selected stats" to make your point.

Somehow you listed almost everyone whose contract is under your number and never brother to look for someone above for comparison?

Entering Amir Johnson, whose 27 years old, whose having a down year and with injuries, whose dumped by his own team and be a FA,

and also the owner of a new 2 years contract of 24 mils.

Also Enes Kanter, whose 4 months younger than TJ, whose being named the ALL worse defensive NBA team in 2015, whose also got dumped by Utah, a rebuilding team,

and also the owner of a MAX contract.

 

Yoookay dude. I'm not going to argue with you. Nobody is willing to name a single team that would have given Terrence a 3 or 4 year contract starting at $11.67 million. Perhaps Portland would have since they dished out that awful max deal to Kanter.

But then again, Kanter is a legit big man that can rebound, score on the block against other legit 7-footers, and he can shoot a basketball. Defensively....they're about the same.


You'll notice in my list...the legit 5's, the legit big boys that patrol the paint are the players on the upper end of that salary spectrum.

I'm done here. Believe what you want. Torque my post any way you want. $10 million a season for Terrence is a boat-anchor deal..in terms of next year's money. Much less $15 million. Terrence isn't even as good as Ed Davis.

 

Not saying he's worth it and maybe through the course of his contract he might be, but this off-season teams have been giving away money to scrubs and non-proven talent like never before.I can see a team like the Pacers overpaying for a young Pf with potential to go with their youth movement because they cant attract free agents.

 

I also think TJ would be a bigger factor in the east.

 

You have to look at the capspace and the list of available free agents to do this, once the premier free agents go off the table you will still have teams with a lot of capspace to burn. I'd be very surprised if Tjones ended up with a contract below 11M.

 

Tjones isn't worth it, but I believe he will likely get the 15million Zach estimates.

Here is the list of starting PFs in the league who are either not demonstrably better, are worse than Jones, or are older/injury prone meaning a team might be wanting to go younger and thus willing to sign TJ to a long term contract.

D. Lee
C. Zeller
P. Gasol
D. Nowitzki
E. Ilyasova
J. Hill
B. Bass
K. Garnett
D. Williams
C. Frye
M. Morris
E. Davis
P. Patterson
N. Hilario


That's 14 teams. Gasol is old, but probably shouldn't be on the list because Chicago has his replacement in Taj Gibson. That brings it down to 13 teams. Nowitzki, Garnett, Lee, and Hilario are old vets who their teams could potentially look at TJ because they will have to replace those guys sooner rather than later. I think in actuality, Patterson, Davis, Morris, Frye, and Bass are probably better than TJones but not overwhelmingly better and you could make an argument that a 15/8ish PF in 30 minutes of playing time with the possibility to be a stretch 4 is a highly desirable player in this market - stretch 4s are more valuable now than ever and Jones has that potential still as shooting is one of those things that should improve with age and he was already a borderline 3pt shooter as a big.

Also factor this in nearly every team will have cap space - when is the last time there was that much competition for the available free agents? You know that old story about how lesser players get overpaid when teams with cap room miss out on their primary targets? All of a sudden those teams start talking themselves into young stretch 4s, flukey injury history, and poor matchups(why Jones got eaten alive in the playoffs - Dirk, Blake, and Draymond are MUCH better than him).

So teams will have the money to spend, there are more 'so so' PFs on the market than good ones, and Jones has age, athleticism, and a very desirable skill set on his side. He will get 12-15mil at least from one team fairly easily unless his agent completely botches a deal.

 

Jones started last season looking really good, then once he got hurt with the freak nerve issue he was out for so long he struggled to get back into his groove. He was at one point wondering if he'd EVER play again. Last year is a wash to me. He is still learning the game at 23. He has only played just over 3200 minutes. He did improve to 35% from 3 last year. The curve is still going up.

I doubt he'll ever be an all-star but the odds of him being a solid NBA player are good. Remember he just started filling out his frame last year. Power forward is a brute force position most nights. Give him time to get that part of his game together too, he needs more "grown man strength and smarts". Most 22 year old (last season) get schooled by Dirk and Blake, hell most of the league does regardless of age.

Morey needs to let the team needs develop then trade for the right piece to make sure we get to the Finals with the best roster possible. If trading Jones works for us then fine so be it. But you never know D-Mo could be stuck playing center if Howard is out again and Jones could be starting and playing great along side Ty. Or maybe D-Mo's back has another set back and Jones is playing consistent and getting better. We need Jones at the moment and we need him to play good. I am willing to bet on a 23 year old guy in a contract year on a team that wants to win it all.

I'm not saying we should pay him $15 mil but I won't be surprised when another team does. If he puts it together then maybe we'll resign him.

 

At some point you have to pay to keep the core together, both are skilled bigs, my guess is that Morey keeps one and lets the other one go.

DD

 

Actually, let us put it this way.

If anyone before July 01 will say Aron Baynes will get a 7 mils per contract, everyone will just laugh at him.

Same can be said for lot of the signings this summer.

Also, you do not need to be an all star to get a 15 mils contract in this age of the NBA.

Do you really expect Reggie Jackson and Enes Kanter to be an all star anytime soon?

I get lots of the Rockets fans dislike TJ because DMo had a much better year last season.

People will always overreact to the things they just saw the last minute, which is normal.

But just one year ago, TJ also was a much better prospect and better players in the Rockets than Dmo also - Dmo whose the one whom got sent to play the summer league.

Young players can still improve and injuries will also matter.

Not saying the Rockets will offer TJ a 15 mils contract next summer, but to say it for sure not going to happen, people better look back for their own projections of our 2 PF last year in June.

 

Why did you leave off the Nets who signed Thad Young for 12 mill per?


Nets would have. Jones is just as good if not better, and 4 years younger with more potential then Young.

INB4 you argue that Young is a FAR superior talent to Jones (He's definitely not, he's the same if not worse) or some other BS.