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Is Donald Trump finished?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaleDoback, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Donald Trump represents far right wing populism.
     
  2. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Could you imagine Fox News outrage if a liberal candidate stated that they prefer service members who weren't captured?
     
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  3. Marteen

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    As a Hispanic American, it's been comical reading about this guy. I'd be a little worried at those who seriously considered him to be the leader of the free world way before his "rapist" comments.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything?

    I don't get where you are coming from. I respect McCain's service for volunteering and facing danger. It's a noble thing to do no doubt.

    But that doesn't make him a war hero on the level of the guys who ran into normandy into German fire with nearly certain death. Those guys didn't get medals, no one knows their names.

    McCain was a privilege son who got preferential treatment, collaborated with the Viet Cong while a POW BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, and blocked attempts to find other Pow's after the war. These are the facts. And It's no sick to think he doesn't serve all the medals he got. I think he got them because of whose son he was not because he behaved in a way others have but did not get a medal.
     
  5. GMATCallahan

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    ... precisely. You don't need to say much more than that.
     
  6. GMATCallahan

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    Piloting a high-altitude fighter-bomber in a war zone, especially over a heavily defended city with tons of anti-aircraft firepower, took immense courage. I don't know what you mean by McCain "collaborating" with the Viet Cong while he was a POW or that he "blocked attempts" to find other POWs. Whether or not he is a "hero" is not the point; the point is that his war service deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, not like some flimsy job application on The Apprentice.

    Face it, dude: you are a paranoid right-wing maniac and Trump is pandering to people such as yourself.
     
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  7. glynch

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    John McCain should be given some slack due to his obvious ptsd and that he did some honorable things while young.

    However, he is a near joke as a crazed warmonger who is always trying to waste young Americans lives and resources in needless wars.
     
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    I just watched a round table video from Secular Talk of trump supporters and what they think about him and his policies... Truly depressing to watch; are our fellow American citizens truly this unintelligent?
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    McCain said he gave positions of his units in exchange for treatment at a hospital. I don't blame him for doing that. But it certainly was not heroic. That's all I am saying.

    As for being a paranoid right-wing maniac....yes, you are right. Ask anyone here and they will tell you I am a right-wing maniac. You read me so well.
     
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    Mccain is a weird conundrum for me. I have a soft spot for him because I think he genuinely is a good man partly because he adopted a Bangladeshi girl. He will stand up against below the belt smearing(sticking up for Huma Abedin against the Muslim Hunters, Bachmann and co.). He will never resort to petty attacks like 'Obama hates America" that the current right wing is obsessed with.

    However at the same time the dude just loves some military spending and deploying.
     
  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Agree. Like him personally, character wise however he is an extreme military interventionist. He's a true believer in the American exceptionalism thing and it really clouds his judgement on foreign affairs.
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You're just moving the goal posts. There's no one hero definition so that you're not a hero unless you charge Nazi machine gun nests.

    He collaborated because he was tortured. You seem hazy on that fact. There's no expectation of any service person that they won't break if tortured enough. For you to imply he didn't endure enough before he collaborated is twisted. The guy has a limp and has limited use of his arm. Wow.

    In my opinion, anyne that volunteers to go to war is pretty brave which is the definition of heroism. The fact that he paid an incredible price only makes him more so a hero. Unless you can prove with something other than your opinion that his medals were unwarranted then why bother trashing him? What's the point?
     
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    Brave != hero.
     
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    So this is just a semantics argument? Anyone who serves in a warzone is a war hero by your definition?

    It's not to me. But I can accept yours. I think serving in the military is a big deal. Takes a lot of guts to stay calm in a warzone. But I also see cops and firefighters as no less heroic then.

    I am not dismissing John McCain's service at all. I don't know why you claim I am. Nor have I ever implies he didn't endure enough before he collaborated with the enemy.

    I am just saying that I don't think he is what I would describe as a "war hero". Not because he wasn't torture enough, but because war heroism to me is something different than just sacrifice.

    We disagree here. But I am saddened that you can't debate without getting all up in a tizzy. Just because my view is different on a topic you care a lot about and are sensitive about, doesn't mean you have to get all judgmental and self-righteous. You call me disgusting because I don't buy into the fact that John McCain is a "war hero"???

    To me, this guy is a war hero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Marcinko
     
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    I agree with this too. I think this is one of the problems with our politics. It's often hard to separate the person from the policy positions.
     
  16. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    It's not my definition.

    her·o·ism
    ˈherəˌwizəm/
    noun
    great bravery.
    synonyms: bravery, courage, valor, intrepidity, boldness, daring, audacity,

    You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say you respect his service and then you go on to disrespect the hell out of it.

     
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    me thinks sweet lu is trying out another persona. This one's a dud...let it go.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Is Donald Trump Finished (last month)?

    Obviously not, never underestimate the terribleness of Republican primary voters.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    That's particularly hilarious considering you voted for Obama, who likely will go down as the worst president of all time.
     
  20. Baba Booey

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    Obama is not even the worst president of this century...
     
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