You are right. Rocketman I apologize for calling you a dumb ass. This banter maybe more appropriate in another venue.
No my opinion doesn't change but I have too much respect for this forum to break its rules. Like i said, this exchange is probably better off in different venue.
I'm not clear what you are arguing here? Are you arguing whether people care about Sherpas or about climbing Everest in general? I think the argument against big game hunting isn't about how the guides are treated but about the hunting itself. Anyway I'm not sure how hunting guides and Sherpas are treated is relevant. No one is saying they aren't well compensated for what they do (relative to the incomes of their countries).
How do you know people aren't upset about both? Luring a lion off of a protected reserve in order to kill it, then shooting it with a bow and having it suffer for 40 hours isn't a boon to the lion species. I think people can be upset about starving people anywhere in the world, and also be upset with the killing of Cecil the lion. The idea of hunting by hand is strange, but a threatened species doesn't need hunting to benefit its conservation. It may be the good going with the bad when it does happen, but the case of Cecil the lion is not one of those situations.
Because Shurpas aren't forced to guide. They fight to get those jobs. They get paid 10X more than their counterparts even if that's peanuts to Americans. They are local heroes in Tibet. These big game animals have no choice and furthermore aren't raised domestically to kill for sport.
Question. I'm no animal expert here but I noticed something. If that lion had a tracker, wouldn't being wounded cause some sort of irregularity in its movement patterns that would've prompted the researchers to do an investigation? Is it odd that no one knew about the lion's whereabouts the 40 hours leading up to its death? I would assume there are people who keep track of these animals on hand there. No? BTW, this dentist is a twat if all the allegations are true. No way in hell did he not know that it was illegal to hunt Cecil. He has a history of breaking the hunting laws, tried to destroy the tracker, and lured the lion out of the safe zone. This wasn't an accident. Hope this will lead to some sort of stricter laws that will prevent hunting animals that are threatened/endangered.
I can say yes I have, but the answer you are really looking for is: Negative, I have traveled through parts of Europe,Asia, and 5 different states.....with my bible group. The last part although untrue makes the statement more fun.
I don't think anyone really disagrees with your latter part of your statement Unless you are playing a Stephen Colbert shtick, you seem like the type of guy who continuously beats up a straw man and post political memes on Facebook that also beat up straw men like how Caitlin Jenner winning a courage award means that liberals hate veterans.
I love lions and think this is a terrible event. But frankly, there are way more important and disgusting things to be upset about involving humans. This just seems to be another example of Internet outrage. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...e_lion_and_americas_broken_outrage_meter.html
Here's the deal. The anger directed at only the a-hole dentist big game hunter may be a little over the top. But it's a visible example/personification of some things that are wrong. People in general are concerned about threatened and endangered species. Here's an example of a wealthy guy who uses his money to hunt a threatened species that people are naturally sympathetic toward. This example includes the type of behavior that is slimy and despicable. He lured the lion off of a protected area. He shot the lion with a bow and the lion suffered. So many people find a suitable villain for a cause they are already sympathetic towards. The anger isn't only against this guy, but he's the personification of something they are against. So yes there are bigger areas and more significant things about which people can be upset. But at the same time, this guy was truly an a-hole. Any grief that happens to him because of people's anger is well deserved, and he won't get sympathy from me or many others even if we acknowledge there are other issues that also deserve our anger, concern and interest. I don't have a problem with people doing something to prove their virility or test their mettle. But hunting big game in general and threatened or endangered species in general is like using your superpowers for evil instead of good. Like I said, I don't have a problem with hunting in general. Hunting big game and endangered or threatened species is something different, and Cecil is something even worse than that. I get that people feel bitterness that people are spending extra energy on this one particular case instead of many issues that face people/animals etc. But I can't get upset about any grief directed towards the a-hole dentist.
Pressure continues to mount on a Minnesota dentist accused of poaching the beloved African lion, Cecil. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service tweeted, "We're investigating the killing of #CecilTheLion. Will go where facts lead. We ask Dr. Palmer or his rep to contact USFWS immediately." Prosecutors in Zimbabwe have also said they're looking for Palmer. The Safari Club International is suspending Palmer's membership and wants a "full and thorough investigation" into the lion's death. Palmer a registered democrat who has donated money to both President Obama and Hillary Clinton's election campaigns remains in hiding refusing to comment beyond a brief apology posted online. link
Animals with tracking collars aren't monitored 24 hours a day. Researchers generally aggregate GPS data on animals to analyze movement over long periods. The intention isn't to track movements on a day by day or hour by hour basis. They were tracking the lion for research, not to analyze safety.
