Waller County: 'Illegal' Lane Change leads to Death

Who put race in this please point that person out i think most in this tread have been speaking on what was done by the cop not having a reason to ask her out of the car.

 

By your experience at being profiled. Well, that and your character.

 

Why do people engage with Bobby as if he is anything other than a clown? In the thread on the Charleston church shooting he actually got to the point where he was calling the nine dead black churchgoers "modern day racists".

 

You have no clue whatsoever about my experience at being profiled. None whatsoever. Thinking otherwise would be pretty ignorant of you.

 

I think they are judging you based on your racism.

 

LOL, my racism? That's hilarious. Go sit in the corner little man.

 

Yes your racism. This character you play on the internet obviously thinks of black people as less than yourself.

 

I really don't understand people blaming the woman.

Here's the order of what happened.

The cop asked her a question. The woman answered it. She was upset which is normal for people being pulled over by cops. Numerous folks have threads and commented on their annoyance at being pulled over on these boards. Anyway, she was annoyed, and was asked a question by the cop. The woman answered the question.

Whether she was annoyed or not doesn't matter. It isn't her job to be a professional in that situation. It is the job of the officer to be a professional.

The cop then asked her if she was finished? As the commentator said, that isn't a way to end a situation, that's a way to escalate it.

Then the officer proceeds to fish for ways to go after the woman. He starts by asking her to put out the cigarette. When the woman doesn't bow down to him with that request, he continues to fish by demanding that she gets out of the car.

Because he has the right to do this, doesn't make it the right thing to do. There was no reason for him to do that except to continue to annoy the woman, and get her in a situation where he has the right to make more demands.

So he escalated the situation from the beginning, and did everything he could in order to keep fishing for more ways to bully the woman. He should be ashamed of himself.

 

That's not true at all. The world is full of really stupid people, some of them are black. Pointing out stupid people when they do stupid things isn't racist. Of course, I guess I could see how a stupid person might not follow that....but I don't have crayons to help spell it out for them, or you for that matter.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you Bobby. I assumed you already knew you're a racist.

 

I don't find your ignorant comment to be insulting, just annoying. Anyway, grown folks are talking so you should probably run along.

 

You have just dropped the Mic with all you have said above those facts speak volumes of what happen.

 

As has been established the order to get out of the car is a lawful order and instead of arguing that he (the LEO) had no right, if she had known the law she should've gotten out of the car.

This is speculative but I suspect if she had simply put out her cigarette that might've ended the confrontation.

I agree the LEO acted unprofessionally. If he really was going to just give her a warning why bother questioning her about how why she's irritated and then getting testy when she gives an honest answer. A true professional should've just given her the warning or a ticket and let it be. That still doesn't mean that Bland didn't follow a lawful order, even if it was given for no good reason.

 

The way you see it is biased. The cop is the one who escalated the situation, three separate times.

 

This.

This goes for both of them and people in general.... just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. She should have been more respectful and the officer should have let her stay in the vehicle and give her a warning. There was mutual disrespect before that traffic stop ever took place.

 

Yes, the order to get out of the car was legal, and she should have followed it. However, her putting out her cigarette isn't her fault.

The officer who asked her to put it out as well as asking her to get out of the car was him fishing for more ammo to use to bully the woman.

So while the woman did not behave perfectly, her part is miniscule.

 

What is odd about this debate is that in the D&D we have many debates on what ought to be legal and what ought not to be legal.

Can't we have a discussion about whether a cop's justification for pulling out a civilian out of a vehicle being 'hurt ego' ought not to be legal? The Supreme Court should have placed a clause in their decision stating 'only for reasons of safety'. He pulled her out not because of safety. That part is clear.

 

The refusal to put out the cigarette was rude, the refusal to get out of the car was illegal.

While you are correct that the officer was probably fishing for ammo, the woman went out of her way to provide it. That's why I have a hard time saying her part is "minuscule". Without her refusing to step out of the car, she still gets a warning. Without her kicking and scratching the cop she's probably not in jail for the weekend. Without her killing herself because no one cared enough about her to bail her out of jail before her first day of work at her new job, this isn't news.

Because of that I think you have it exactly backwards, the one with the "minuscule" role is the cop.

 

Without the cop escalating the situation three separate times, a warning is written, there is no refusal, no kicking and scratching, no arrest, and no suicide.

Claiming the cop's part as "minuscule" is ignoring what happened.