Waller County: 'Illegal' Lane Change leads to Death

We already know the reason. The reason he is asking her to get out of the car is because she is smoking a cig and she declined to put it out.

It is absolutely clear that had she put her cig out he would not have asked her to get out of the car.

You might not have to give a reason, but when the reason is clearly b.s., then i do think there is a problem.

What if the cop gave her a strip search - dropped her clothes in front of everyone because she resisted? Would that be ok?

 

What if the cop raped her, called all his buddies to piss on her then dumped her in a river? Would Sweet Tard have a counterpoint to Air Langhi's post then?

 

He can ask her to get out of the car and she has to at least as far as the law is concerned.

 

When he was asked why he slammed her on the ground, he responded by saying "She was resisting arrest"... What was she being arrested for? Not putting out a cigarette and actually talking back to the almighty police officer who is beyond reproach and disrespecting her from the get go of their engagement.

 

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Yeah, cops are always in the right.

 

No, she was being arrested for refusing to get out of her car. She didn't have to put out her cigarette and couldn't have been arrested for that. The officer probably only asked her to step out of her car because of her refusal to put out the cigarette but that's irrelevant to the legality of the arrest.

 

For a traffic stop and for officer safety, it was ruled reasonable. Was the traffic stop essentially over after he has completed his check and wrote up the warning? Was the request reasonable for officer safety? I think possibly this case fail to meet both.

 

No, the stop was not over and yes the request was reasonable.

If you read the SCOTUS decision, they found there to be an inherent reason for officers to ask people to step out of their vehicles, the only condition being that the vehicle is lawfully detained for a traffic violation. That condition was met.

Here's part of that decision

 

It may be lawful and likely so, but definitely not reasonable. Being annoyed is not a reasonable excuse. His safety was not the issue, else he would have asked her out of the car prior to finishing up the ticket.

The stop was essentially over. You can debate if it's legally over, but it was essentially over.

The process of the traffic offense (not signaling) was over after he did his check and wrote a warning ticket.

 

That case isn't relevant here because despite you saying over and over again that the stop was "essentially over", that simply isn't the case. The officer hadn't yet had the chance to issue her the warning so it wasn't "essentially over". Had she not been an overly hostile jackass, the stop probably would have been "essentially over" fairly soon, but it never got to that point.

If you are pulling over someone who is overly hostile, it makes sense to get them out of their vehicle.

 

Also important to note, a ruling of the Supreme Court of Nevada means nothing at all in Texas. The ruling I showed you was a SCOTUS ruling, one that is relevant to the case and relevant in the state of Texas.

 

Why shouldn't there be... He did his job by stopping her for a traffic violation and all he had to do was give her the ticket and they would both be on their way. What he did after that was to accommodate his ego because the woman was mouthing off. Her actions and words inside of her vehicle was not a physical threat against the cop and did not prevent him from doing his job and giving her the ticket.

But to answer your question I think police officers should face criminal charges when they break protocol... Particularly when dealing with traffic violations because a majority of the time they are interacting with non-criminal citizens.

 

You again fail to see event in chronicle order. She was not hostile until he escalate. You simply refuse to see that fact or you excuse it with her actions later on.

I believe the case is accepted by the US SC and so it could be relevant if the SC decided to rule on the timing of when a traffic stop is over.

 

I do not accept the idea that someone "escalated" a situation by asking someone if they were okay. When you ask someone if they are okay and they respond with completely unwarranted hostility it changes things especially when that person has a history with illegal substances and driving under the influence....which you know about after running her record.

There really aren't any actions that need to be "excused" other than the minor breach of policy where he should have told her why he was ordering her out of the car. That's literally the only thing the cop did wrong and it wouldn't have made any difference with how this played out and she'd have still killed herself in jail after her family and friends failed and abandoned her.

If we want to blame anyone, that's who you blame.

 

He escalated when asked if she was done yet? As the video from RocketRiver commented on, that's not ending something, that's escalating something. He was wrong by not de-escalating the situation when that was totally within his power.

 

That's after the over the top hostility from the crazy woman though. txtony was trying to suggest that the hostility was in response to some escalation by the officer, and that simply wasn't the case. This woman was over the top hostile from the beginning. Would it have been nice if the officer had treated her like an infant throwing a temper tantrum? Sure, but him not doing so is no excuse for her actions.

 

Her hostility was not over the top and she was not acting crazy. You are now making this up to support your argument. Just admit the cop screwed up already.

 

Wrong. Watch the video. She was not a model example of how to behave when stopped by a policeman.

 

I disagree. There was absolutely no reason for ANY hostility whatsoever, yet she's going to cuss a cop out for pulling her over for an obvious traffic violation? The only thing the cop did wrong was that he failed to tell her why he was ordering her out of her car. That's it.

If the woman wasn't mentally unstable, she'd have gotten a warning and been on her way. Life is hard for those living with mental illness, and this is just another example of it.

 

Over the top hostilitiy? What are you talking about? What kind of world do you live in?

She didn't need an excuse for her actions, that's not her profession. The officer does need an excuse for his actions, it is his profession. The video posted, and the commentary clearly shows and points out that the escalations were on the part of the officer.