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[Obamacare] Blue Cross to pull PPO Product from marketplace

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jul 23, 2015.

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  1. justtxyank

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    In their first full year's worth of claims data, Blue Cross will report a $400 million loss on the individual marketplace. As a result they are pulling the product completely off the marketplace in order to remain competitive. They will terminate nearly 400k policies in this state alone, offering a transition strategy to put people on a new product offering.

    Right now it looks like that will be on their Blue Advantage HMO plan, which has about 30% of the network access that the PPO plan provided.

    This is an absolute disaster for Texas consumers.

    Edit: Wasn't going to post here anymore, but this is such a significant story that I felt compelled to post it. This damages the individual marketplace severely.
     
  2. Nook

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    I will be curious to see what the fall out will be in 5-10 years from now.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    The market in Texas is going to collapse. The numbers I've been told are just absolutely staggering in terms of loss. The Blue Cross HMO that will be offered is so incredibly small that it's a joke. You can't even use Memorial or any of the other name brand hospitals!

    All of the worst nightmare scenarios talked about by Republicans are coming true.

    Humana sold out to Aetna...
    Aetna is shrinking network access anyway and reduced service...
    The most solvent carrier in the state is pulling up stakes on their #1 product because of the risk pool being so horrible...
    CIGNA is nearly non-existent in the state now...
     
  4. pirc1

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    Is that only happening in Texas? If so, why is that?
     
  5. Baba Booey

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    Let's get a god damned single-payer system already...
     
  6. justtxyank

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    Blue Cross runs independent segments in specific states/territories.

    BCBSTX is the operating entity in Texas.

    We also happen to be one of the least healthy states in the country with some very expensive provider rates. Right now this is only the Texas marketplace (as far as I know) but it could spread I suppose.
     
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    That's all fine and good, but that constantly repeated liberal solution isn't a silver bullet. I swear to God, it's so frustrating how little people actually understand about the medical cost problem in this country. Oh, lol, just put everything on Medicare reimbursement rates through the Medicare for all! Everything better!

    [​IMG]

    Edit: Also, I know nobody on the left cares about these jobs, but there ARE over 2 million jobs that would disappear if we went single payer. It's a real concern as many of them are not well suited to simply transition into another field and the other lines of insurance aren't just dying for 2 million new employees to absorb.
     
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  8. Baba Booey

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    We are going single-payer eventually.
     
  9. Major

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    Why would they not just raise their prices to market-clearing rates? It's not like they requested one of those 100% type rate hikes - they requested 20%. They have 400k customers - why throw that all away? Just raise rates and/or make the network a bit smaller - if you end up with fewer customers, they are likely to be the wealthier (and thus healthier) of the bunch, so their risk pool improves. They already have all the infrastructure (claims processing, etc) in place and that all will remain for other plans anyway, so it's not like they wouldn't be able to function with 300k customers.
     
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    Also, is there a link to a news story about this, or is this inside-info? I can't seem to find it mentioned anywhere.
     
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    The way the law requires them to file pricing is as a single block, meaning all HMO and PPO plans together.

    Also keep in mind that Texas frequently rejects major rate hikes.

    $400 million in losses JUST on the PPO is a hard pill to swallow. Everyone throws a fit when they increase rates, but in order to make up $400 million in claims they would need to raise the rates $1000 per member per year. Not per policy mind you, per member. So a family of 5 would see a $5000 a year rate increase. (These are all rough averages of course.)

    That would then push off the healthy and the young which would further exacerbate the problem. The only long term viable option (in their mind) is to break the cost problem. How do you do that? You create a dirt cheap network and try to force as much participation onto that as you can. The HMO.

    Their long term goal (I believe) is to release an EPO (works like a PPO but no out of network) built off of their HMO Blue Advantage network. That network is terrible right now of course.
     
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    It's inside info. It will hit the mainstream soon I'm sure.
     
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    Texas is a broken insurance marketplace as a whole. The exchange wasn't going to fix that.

    Rates are going up here where I live but its nothing like Texas. Even with the final rate increases, Minnesota most likely will end up with the lowest premiums in the US for the third year in a row.

    The general population here is far healthier and the government has a lot more support for low income families that pushes them into expanded Medicaid and a separate state run program called MinnesotaCare that targets families above the Medicaid threshold. So the insurance pool here tends to be much more sustainable than Texas which basically pushed the burden of coverage solely on insurance companies.

    Bottom line, how your government chooses to approach health care makes a gigantic difference. Texas as a whole is a disaster. I can't say I'm shocked that the marketplace is struggling as a result. You have a government that will do everything it can to sabotage the health care law and a population that is below average in terms of health and health outcomes.
     
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    This is all true. I blasted Perry when the law was passed for his disastrous handling of implementation in this state. Medicaid expansion would have helped, but it would not have solved the problem of course.
     
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    How was Texas doing before Obama care? I guess the solution is just to keep 20-30% of the population off health insurance.
     
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    Forgive us, if we don't share your pessimism, until we have a chance to actually read the story.
     
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    No problem. Bookmark this thread and come back when you have a chance to read the story. I look forward to the sarcasm.
     
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    FYI, Blue Cross has now sent out an external memo to all affiliated entities. Texas news coverage on insurance isn't that great, so I can't promise there will be a Chron article for you to base your opinion on.
     
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    Oh for sure. The flaw of the ACA will always be the fact that the administration focused on universal coverage and punted on cost control. I think that was the real fatal flaw of the law. The administration simply split all of the new revenue gained from newly insured Americans with the hospitals/pharma/insurance companies in the form of cuts to Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. None of that was big enough to truly bend the cost curve.

    And blame goes to everyone. Obviously the hospitals and pharma had interests to protect. The insurance companies were threatened by separate elements of the law. Even unions torpedoed a lot of the changes to the tax deduction for health care premiums. We ended up with a law that gave coverage to everyone (which is great) but did next to nothing to control costs.

    I think the law is still better than nothing but no one should pretend that this is even close to a final product. It has holes everywhere that need to be addressed. Unfortunately, it'll take one party control (either Republicans or Democrats) to actually do anything. And the Republicans are so far in the deep end at the moment that I'm not sure they can stop to take a minute to think rationally about this.
     
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    Texas was and still is the worst in the country. It shouldn't shock anyone that an insurance exchange is struggling in Texas. The state has fundamental problems beyond insurance markets that impact health. Your wonderful agriculture commissioner is campaigning on reintroducing deep fried food into schools for god's sake. The Texas government doesn't give a damn about health outcomes. And in an environment like that, how could you expect an insurance company to not lose money on exchange plans?
     

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