Waller County: 'Illegal' Lane Change leads to Death

What did you say about my odd views of women Nook

 

Geez. I'm glad I don't smoke.

 

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Similar conclusion with the pool party incident. If a LEO is incapable of deescalating a rather mundane situation, he/she is not qualified to have a career in law enforcement.
Call me crazy for having such high standards for a career that can authorize deadly force on their own discretion upon the general public.

 

I get that you are probably nothing more than a mental midget who is trying to sound cool by attacking one of your betters, but I'll entertain any legitimate complaints about anything I've said in this thread. If you take exception to anything I've said, point it out, and explain why you think it was wrong.

If you can do that, great, but mindless insults like this will just lead to you wearing the dunce cap and sitting in the corner.

 

I'm pretty sure every poster besides a select few believe Bobby is that individual in the corner sporting a dunce cap.

 

Except there's no reason to assume that a random civilian is going to know exactly what is and not legal for a cop to do. The list is thousands of pages long of what can and can't be done, and I'm pretty sure most people haven't read every law or Supreme Court decision out there. You don't just do whatever a cop asks - you have a right to ask questions or challenge it if it doesn't seem reasonable. We talk about that all the time with search and seizure and whether people should decline a breathalyzer, etc. The cop's job is then to explain things to you.

A cop's overall job is to de-escalate and serve people in the community. When they pull people over, there's a good chance people will be unhappy and/or upset - that's a fairly normal reaction. If you ask them to do something unusual during a traffic stop, there's a decent chance they are going to be suspicious and/or question it. None of that is a reason to go nuts and threaten violence.

As we've seen in the past, a terrible cop escalates a situation because they are incompetent and don't know how to actually do their jobs. The result is an injury to a civilian (which may have resulted in her death - we don't know the chain of events yet).

 

If you don't just do what a cop asks you to do within reason (putting out a cigarette or being asked to step out of your car being well within reason), be prepared to go to jail because that's usually how it will end.

 

The problem here is that suicide always results (at least in part) from something internal, and many times unseen even by close family members. I've had more than one friend commit suicide, unfortunately, and it never seemed likely, and it doesn't always coincide with an obvious trigger.

It's a tragedy, but everyone is looking for something to blame. Cops are a zeitgeist topic right now. It's possible that there were unseen (mental) forces at work here. Hopefully the investigation finds the truth and the family finds some measure of peace.

 

Fair point. Shouldn't we show cops the same level of respect that we expect for ourselves?

It's a concept that is quickly lost when emotions and adrenaline take hold. A very delicate balance.

In most cases the cop is going to come out and say something asinine (I don't like cops, as a rule) and then people are going to revise history to remove all blame from the overly emotional, raging civilian.

Tough situations. The debate rages on.

 

This cop may have been on a power trip (or whatever) and didn't like the way she was acting toward him. It seems pretty stupid that it escalated over a lit cigarette she was smoking in her own car. But, this just goes to show that if you lip off to a cop regardless of if you think you are in the right, the only thing that will happen is it will escalate and you will be on the bad end of the outcome. She may not have liked why he pulled her over at all. Who does? But, at some point, you have to check yourself and just do what the cop tells you to do...or risk going to jail. For her to kill herself in jail like that is pretty lame given she probably would have been out very soon and any charges would have been minimal. That's on her. I tend to agree there may have been something else up with her mental state. While I believe there is consensus that the cop was being a bit excessive in his approach (i.e. she pissed him off basically), she wasn't cooperating. Some cops may brush that behavior aside and just finish writing the ticket but many of them will not. The cop deserves to be punished because he escalated it for stupid reasons. We've seen cops get cursed at heavily on stops who did nothing about it except brush it off and write a ticket. But, once the cop takes it personal, it's over.

 

She was disrespectful and rude, do you disagree?

 

You don't need to know obscure case law to know that if an officer asks you to get out of the vehicle, that you need to get out of the vehicle.

I am not defending the officer, he broke protocol for where he worked and he is already in trouble for it and I suspect he will lose his job.

The reason it was brought up was someone saying that the officer did not have the right to command that she get out of her car, and that is not accurate. I was explaining to a poster that it doesn't matter if they don't like the rule, that is the rule.

Saying that he has the right to command her to get out of her vehicle does not mean that I am saying he acted appropriately, especially with his amateur hour taser comment and his inability to control his emotions. Yeah, she acted like a b****, but he is an officer and he is trained to be able to handle the situation. If he cannot, he needs to go into another line of work.

 

Agreed, but that probably means changes in the compensation officers receive and being more picky. I don't have a problem with greater change and being more selective, but that almost guaranteed to mean increasing compensation.

 

This argument is silly. She acted the fool, and paid the price for it from the cop. She did not obey his orders, which escalated the situation needlessly, despite the cop's repeated requests. The focus should not be on the cop at all. The focus should be on how she died. If she hadn't have died, this would have been a complete non-story. That's where the focus should be. You have a lot of people who are simply looking to paint cops in a bad light and continue their narrative about how racist people are and throw their now-seemingly weekly racial pity party over the latest cooked-up outrage. Yawn. It's getting old, folks. If you don't resist arrest and show respect to police, then you can avoid a lot of problems.

 

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This is a reason why I think the cop right to ask her to exit for the traffic violation just might not hold up. Imagine a case where he gave her the warning ticket and started to head back toward his car and she yell back at him MFer. Does that than give him the right to ask her to exit the car? I don't think so.

 

Chill bruh. There is no evidence that he killed her.