What you are neglecting to see is that many of the Muslims fighting the Sunni Muslim extremists aren't saints themselves. It's sectarian violence. "My Islam is better than your Islam and to prove it, I will kill you." Stop pretending to yourself that the Shiite militias fighting the Sunni extremists are really much better morally. They are not fighting some kind of freedom fight for values of love and democracy.
I would wonder how much different this guy was from Roof or many other of those that went on killing sprees. They all held in some way radical views and acted upon them. It's interesting that in Roof's case many of those who are quick to blame Islam also strongly deny the influence of things like the confederate flag and white supremacy. Was Roof a terrorist? Klebloid & Harris were bullied and also posted hatred for their neighbors. Cho also had a lot of anger in him. To me it seems more likely that this guy was just angry at the way he was treated, identified as a Muslim, saw how Muslims were viewed by many of the people who treated him poorly (and his background might have been part of that) and so on and so on. It's speculative but it sure makes a lot more sense than the below statement: Mr. Child, do you even know what empathy is? I think you are confusing it with sympathy. There is a difference.
****es are too luke warm for them and easy targets because of these location. But again, blame this on ISIS not Islam. Blaming others or look over there technics are support for what is the root of the problem.
Support for my argument. Look away... Islam is not the problem... Pick the crackpots of decades ago. KKK is founded on what he believe is Christinaity. Guess what, they are pure crackpots who wouldn't know Jesus if He walked up to Him. How about joining an argument that is affecting those of us living in the 21st century?
If you can't learn from history, you're doomed to make the same mistakes. Don't be a class dunce. Why is it that anyone who is violent in Christianity is a crack-pot, but anyone who is violent in Islam is an Islamist or fundamentalist or whatever. The answer is that you aren't really interested in talking about human nature, but you and folks like ATW are trying to make Islam the scapegoat for all the horrible things that is going on, like Islam is some kind of virus. The reality is that if Islam is a virus, so is anything tied to a belief system which includes Christianity and the Confederacy. The KKK is just Christian extremism.
Those posts are always the dumbest of the dumb. Blame Israel and the USA for Islamist terror and murders. Whoever believes this crap outs themselves as morons.
Ok New Yorker.... Have fun justifying this guy killing 5 people. I am not quite sure why you are preaching empathy when this guy obviously didn't have much empathy either..... Not to mention the initial responses from this thread that were more concerned that this Joker did it during a holy period, that he drank alcohol and how it will mean more grief for other Muslims.
Yes and Franklin Roosevelt created nazis to weaken Western Europe and covertly kill millions of Russians.....
Roosevelt? Nice try, Freeper. Prescott Bush and Henry Ford were Hitler's two best friends in the U.S.
How does a flag, much less any flag, influence anyone to commit a crime as such. That is about as nonsensical as flying the Jolly Roger on my Jet Ski gives me impulses to go raid a sailboat. But yes, you are right. There is not much difference between all of these mass shooters. Roof attacked a very specific people. Cho attacked a very specific group of people. Abduluzeez was not a random attack. They are all terrorist in the most basic form of the definition.
A flag is a symbol and metaphor just as a religious image (Allah) is a metaphor. It stands for something and is a representation of values and identity that ties a group together. People fight for a flag. But that's my point - it's not the flag that "influences" them to commit the crime they do. It's a symbol that represents what they identify with. This guy found radical Islam to be what he identified with. These guys were not poor and did not grow up in a backwards culture. It was Islam that radicalized this young man, just as it wasn't the flag that radicalized Roof. These things naturally resonated with them and they embraced them. People can use these symbols or ideologies for peace or for harm. The question to me is why is it in some instances it gets used for violence and in others for peace. Is it a reflection of the ideology or is it a means by which those with violence in their hearts can use to rally around?
Again this is all just smoke-screen talk for the real problem. Islam is a CURRENT problem. Why did this guy kill 5 people that he never knew? Do you deny or admit that the signs are pointing to Islam as his foundation for the act? Do you deny or admit that this act is becoming more common in the name of Islam around the world?
Islam is nothing more than a catalyst. It is not the root of the issue. It is the excuse to commits these acts. You can rip Islam out, insert Judaism or Christianity and you will still have the same issue. Its a neanderthal culture that is intolerant to others beliefs. Its the tribe/pack mentality. The strong rule and the weak serve. Islam (Sharia Law) is used to justify this culture. It takes generations to change this mentality.
That's arguable. If you have a lighter and you have fuel, then what is the cause of the fire - the lighter or the fuel? Islam is at least one of the two.
The cause of the fire is the individual that mixed the two. A lighter and fuel have no freewill as they are inanimate objects.
It's no more fair to blame the actions of terrorists on Islam than it is to blame the actions of domestic terrorists on the confederate battle flag. It's unfortunate that so many Muslims buy into the terrorist perversion of Islam, just as it is unfortunate that so many that champion the confederate battle flag do so for racist reasons....but IMO it's not the fault of the religion or the flag, those things are just being used as tools by assholes.
Islam is an ideology. The confederate battle flag is a symbol, like the ISIS flag. Do I blame the flag itself? No, but I most certainly blame the ideology the flag symbolizes - which, in both cases, is racist, intolerant and violent.
