ISIS first successful terrorist attack in US

Do you suffer from mental deficiencies? Read the title of this thread and look at where the OP's news story came from.

 

No, but he's already established that factually honest titles don't matter. So what does it matter if he's a muslim slayer or a regular islamophobe?

Thank you Lord Jesus!

 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Chattanooga shooter Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez a terrorist? Experts say its too early to tell. <a href="http://t.co/Cu6VHPzZhF">http://t.co/Cu6VHPzZhF</a></p>&mdash; Foreign Policy (@ForeignPolicy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/622253232363061248">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Leftist/Islamist logic: Islamist murders innocent people >>> "Let's make this thread about ATW being evil"

 

I agree. The most likely explanation is ISIS at least indirectly had some influence. That said I think we all know the danger of jumping to conclusions about this. I'm going to say the same thing about this as I did about the Charleston shooting. This is an act of terrorism but as such we need to investigate it much much further.

In Charleston many said well yes Roof was a racist but wanted to also look into other personal factors that may have driven him to do what he did. In the same way yes we know that Addulazeez is a Muslim and that ISIS has specifically called for these type of attacks. He also though gave the impression of being fairly well adjusted and integrated into US society, like the Tsarnaez brothers. Just to say jump to a simple answer and say that he was influenced by ISIS because everyone knows about ISIS though ignores the fact that by far the vast vast majority of American Muslims haven't been engaging in terrorism. There are particulars to each case that would cause any individual to decide to become a terrorist other than just they are Muslim.

Understanding that is what will actually prevent these sorts of acts.

 

That ignores the fact that vast majority of the victims of these people are other Muslims and the vast majority of those fighting ISIS on the front lines are other Muslims.

 

Wait - why? We've had plenty of these lone-shooter type attackers prior to ISIS.

 

I like this guy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChattanoogaShooting?src=hash">#ChattanoogaShooting</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/GovAbbott">@GovAbbott</a> says he'll direct Texas National Guard to carry guns on base - <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSDFW">@CBSDFW</a></p>&mdash; Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) <a href="https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/622450505734877184">July 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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How does that change anything about the motivation of the attacker?

 

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g1184 shows his true colors by owning ATW.

 

In your dreams. But thanks for letting us know your taste in music.

 

History has shown that was not the case. Christians were just as violent and no one called them out. Why do you think that is?

 

I definitely know of the divide in modern Christian churches over their clashing ideas of use of force, violence, and the role of government. I'm sure the same debate is happening amongst Mulsims too.

 

I think people have this idea that ISIS or any other fanatical group prays upon people and radicalizes them or brainwashes them somehow. From research it doesn't appear to be the case. Instead these guys are angry and anxious young men, often with underlying family issues and feeling unfulfilled and in many cases feel ostracized or discriminated against - especially if they were teased as kids.

ISIS doesn't find people, people find ISIS.

Take a look at one of his comments, "“My name causes national security alerts. What does yours do?”"

I think that says a lot.

 

What do you think it says?

Sadly, in hindsight, it wasn't the name that would have justified the security alert, but the fact that the guy believed in a fascist, intolerant, militant ideology which ultimately made him murder innocent people.

 

There is a reason that conspiracy to commit a crime requires a back and forth agreement between two parties.

IMO, to call this an "ISIS attack" would require a level of ISIS involvement equal to that which would constitute a conspiracy. If we are giving credit for inspiration, we might as well call this a joint operation by ISIS, al Qaeda, Muhammed, the Red Army Faction, the Irgun, and about 1000 other entities. It would be a historical inventory of everybody who ever resorted to terror.

 

If you don't get what the implications of his statement then you truly must not be capable of empathy or know what it is.

What he believed in isn't what's being discussed here, it's why he believed in it.


But if that's too much for you, I understand. Probably better for you to stick to insulting people and trying to get underneath their skin.

 

How about some empathy for the innocent people who got murdered by this Islamist, because he believed in a fascist ideology?

 

The post I was responding to was saying that Muslim aren't doing enough and saying that if this was a case of Christian crackpots true Christians would be up in arms. The fact is that thousands of Muslims are up in arms and thousands of Muslims are dying fighting these type of radicals.

 

That is a very good point but more reason to not just jump and say that this is an attack by ISIS.

I'm no expert in this but I suspect that the FBI has developed some detailed profiles regarding what type of people might become self-radicalized to the point of engaging in terrorism.