Did Putin have a crack of dawn presser on the subject, or any of the world leaders of which I'm too American to know their names?
Leftist take on the subject either we give them everything they want or we might have to fight them.... here, take everything.
Why is it that a big chunk of the population care so much about Israel that according to a recent poll they are willing to support Israel even if Israel's interests have diverged from that of the US. Also why do people think Iran getting nukes = annihilation of Israel? Did people forget that Israel have had nukes & ballistic missiles for several decades already? Did people forget that Israel is the preeminent military power in the region with much more powerful conventional & nuclear capabilities than Iran? Do people really think Iran is filled with crazy jihadists hell bent on the destruction of Israel at all costs and they would start immediately lobbing nukes at Israel the second they are available and don't care about the retaliatory nuke attacks from Israel and possibility US? Also did people forget that Saudi Arabia is a mortal enemy of Iran and that the Saudis, with CIA's blessings, recently purchased advanced ballistic missiles from China that's far more advanced than anything in Iran's arsenal and likely have access to Pakistani nukes (Saudi's financed the Pakistani nuke program)
This smells EXACTLY like what Clinton said as President in 1994. Of course, the left hailed it then as they do now as a step towards bring North Korea into the community of nations and will halt their progression towards a Nuclear Weapon. They were wrong then, but somehow...magically...it's gonna all turn out ok THIS time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a6b44c-dc59-11e4-acfe-cd057abefa9a_story.html
I thought Bill's rush job with DPRK was doomed to failure. It was a complete joke of an attempt IMO. However, people like you that equate Iran and North Korea are clueless.
Leverage The biggest issue I have with this deal is the inspections being so watered down. Sanctions should automatically roll back if the deal is violated, and inspectors should have free access at any time they choose. Otherwise I am fine with it.
Iran will recieve billions of dollars , they need it badly to fund their terrors organized militias in Lebanon , Yemen ,Iraq and Asad in Syria .and they can resume whatever activities they have in the future . Not to forget those Mullas in Iran along side with their revelounery guards built financial empires that control much of the Iranian economy ,so they can benfited too from this cash flow
the one thing that is bad about this is if it works there probably wont be an argo sequel. pretty good movie.
This is where you're wrong. They are like most dictators, especially those in that region of the world - they simply care about maintaining power, but not so much about their people. Religion is the tool they use to hold that power. Railing against Israel helps them maintain their support, but they don't ever push anything to a point where anyone's going to attack them. Can you provide any evidence of actions they've taken contrary to that? Both Iran's and Israel's leadership benefit from this - and it's how Netanyahu endlessly maintains power despite the majority of people in the country disliking him. They've convinced their people are each other's mortal enemies and will engage in proxy wars and there will be moments of high tension, but no one actually will go to war with each other when push comes to shove. It's like the cold war - even without Iran having nukes, the two nations can cripple each other, so there is still mutually assured destruction.
I don't question that. I have some intellectual understanding of it, but I'm sure I don't have that level of realization of how much religious basis can overrun even the very basic desire to survive, not just survival of one but of a whole nation. Here is the great part of your faith. As a faith of peace, you desire war. Even with a chance of peace, you do not give it light. Peace out.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...he-night-as-khamenei-backs-accord?cmpid=twtr1 Thousands of Iranians thronged the streets of Tehran to celebrate the landmark nuclear accord with world powers, a deal that received the crucial backing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, the country’s ultimate authority. Crowds flooded at least three major squares in the capital, many dancing well into the night. Celebrations clogged traffic and blocked several streets. Revelers blew into vuvuzela horns and chanted in praise of President Hassan Rouhani. The accord reached between Iran and six world powers in Vienna will curb the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program in return for lifting sanctions that crippled its economy. While implementation may take months, the agreement is a victory for Rouhani, who was elected in 2013 on pledges to end Iran’s global isolation. These past few days I was very stressed that it wouldn’t happen, and now I have so much hope “Rouhani, Obama, congratulations!” some chanted in the streets in a rare public display of pro-U.S. sentiment. The two countries haven’t had diplomatic relations since the 1979 Islamic Revolution deposed the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was a U.S. ally. Giti, a 48-year-old engineer who didn’t want to give her surname because of sensitivity surrounding speaking to the foreign media, said young people are optimistic the deal will boost the economy and lead to better living and more jobs. Khamenei’s Backing “I moved back from the U.S. three years ago and every business I’ve tried to set up has just hit a dead end, and I was thinking about going back,” she said. “With the news today, I’m definitely staying.” Khamenei met with Rouhani on Tuesday evening and thanked the country’s negotiators for their “sincere” and hard work, the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency reported. The backing will likely strengthen the president, a moderate cleric, in the face of his hardline opponents. The deal will also meet resistance in the U.S. Congress, where lawmakers have 60 days to review it. “We were never after charity but we were after a fair exchange through talks,” Rouhani said in a televised address to the nation on Tuesday. “None of the sanctions were successful but they had an impact on people’s lives.” Hamshahri, the country’s biggest newspaper, ran “Iran’s Day” as its front-page headline Tuesday and even the hardline Kayhan newspaper struck a positive tone. Mythical Archer The reformist Ghanoun newspaper focused on Iran’s lead nuclear negotiator, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, depicting him as a mythical Persian archer with a red bandana and holding a bow and arrow at the talks. “We have been waiting for it for so long,” said Amir Tehrani, a 34-year-old English teacher. “I just hope that the pressure on our lives and on the cost of living will be reduced.” Since taking office nearly two years ago, Rouhani has slowed inflation to about 15 percent from more than 40 percent when the effects of sanctions peaked under the previous government. The economy has started growing again. Yet for most in Iran, where youth unemployment hovers around 25 percent, life remains tough and supported by government cash handouts. Electricity and water prices have surged, offsetting the subsidies. “Happiness, that’s all I can say,” said Golbahar Hassanabadi, a 29-year-old artist living in the city of Karaj on the outskirts of Tehran. “These past few days I was very stressed that it wouldn’t happen, and now I have so much hope.” Others, including Shahnaz Khonsari, an art gallery owner in Tehran, were more restrained. “We can’t expect this agreement to miraculously fix the messed-up economy, but hopefully it will be a step,” Khonsari said. “It’s going to take time until sanctions are removed, until the impact of the deal becomes clear, until goods can be imported and businesses reinvigorated. But it’s fantastic news.”
This is less directed at cml750, and more towards the idea that a military strike is either "a good option" or "can't be stomached" (some would say by the left): People in the Mossad and the CIA, who performed their duties under conservative governments, and whose jobs were to actually evaluate threats and pragmatic options (rather than politic and pander to a crowd for votes), whose focus was specifically on Iran, believe that a military strike would be counter to the interests of their home countries. Dear Tom Cottonites: Military action is not a viable solution in this debate. Says everybody. Politicians will continue to trot it out because acting tough will win them votes. It is not a real solution.
People generally fear humiliation or losing face the most, and they will choose monetary loss or pain over it. Taking leaps of faith risks both. Continuing that path means repeating it again and again.
brutal. <blockquote class="twitter-video" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well done <a href="https://twitter.com/elliosch">@elliosch</a> <a href="https://t.co/Pb2xKY4XcT">pic.twitter.com/Pb2xKY4XcT</a></p>— James Hewitt (@JamesOHewitt) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesOHewitt/status/621354275885711360">July 15, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yea, I can see that. You built up an image of who you should be and if that doesn't work out, it's very hard to change. Change is hard to do, but it doesn't have to be as soon as you recognize it's all make beliefs. However, this doesn't need a leaps of faith. It's simply understanding the options on the table and the path forward. When you have a viewpoint colored by your religious faith that the other side is simply insane and is out to destroy you based on their spoken words, you can not entertain all the possible options on the table in the real world. It's dangerous because with such a view, I don't know what options there is. Constant containment or annihilation seems to be the only choice. Well, constant containment is not possible. Given those choice, the risks for a different path forward makes sense. Doesn't have to be faith driven. Just basic math and risk controls. Details is not all out, but from headlines, the math looks good. The risk control isn't ideal it seems, but it's not so bad IMO.
Burnett is too stupid to follow up or just doesn't want to embarass Rhodes. Here's a question: how is this deal different than the one Clinton negotiated with the North Koreans that ended with them getting the bomb?
