1. Trading him into somebody else's cap space is going to cost assets. Doesn't matter what the cap is or how much space they got. They're going to charge us or anybody else to use their cap space. That's an unrealistic approach. If we are able to "reform" him as you say, he's going to be worth a ton more to another team if he's signed to an expiring deal at around $3-$6 million rather than $13 million. 2. Stretching him so he becomes a long-term drag on our cap makes no sense if we can acquire him in the manner I am proposing that we can acquire him. Bingo. With one caveat. Even if he is a success, his contract at $13 million is going to be difficult to move for nothing. Because so few teams need point guards and so many teams are going to be pursuing Durant and other max free agents next summer. I do. I'd rather have Lawson on the books for $3-$6 million, keep Ariza, and sign Durant. Talk about a stretch-4. No sense in giving up Ariza if we don't have to.
I'd love for Morey to get Lawson after this DUI. It's incredibly stupid and dangerous to drive under the influence... but the fact is that Lawson can put the ball in the basket. I don't watch basketball because I look to players for moral guidance.
Ty is a starting quality PG (I don't think he's a great fit next to Harden, but that's for another discussion). He's better than Reggie Jackson and Brandon Knight, both of whom just got paid. A $13 million Ty Lawson on an expiring contract (next year) can be sold to someone for free in a year where EVERYONE has cap space. Who would be interested? I could see any of the following: Pelicans (Jrue Holiday can't stay healthy) Mavericks (depending on Deron) Kings (assuming Rondo fails and they keep Karl) Jazz (Exum doesn't work out) Hornets (Kemba stays mediocre) Bucks (MCW doesn't learn to shoot) etc. He's a good player, and he's not massively overpaid like Deron was. As for the stretch, agree to disagree. $4.4 million will drop from 6% of the cap this year to 5% in 2016 and 4% in 2017. It's manageable. Again, I'd expect this to be a last resort type move. But even if we have to do it, it's not devastating.
@ChrisMannixSI) Ty Lawson reportedly busted for a second DUI this year. First, this is a serious issue he to deal with. Second, for DEN, he is untradeable.
And to clarify, I'm not fully on board the "Ty Lawson" train. My hope is that we could get him for what you suggested: $3-6 million after he's bought out. I'd prefer a one year deal at $3 million, leaving enough room in the MLE to sign KJ and Montrezl. Like Josh, Ty could see Houston as an opportunity to reestablish himself, and signing a 1 year deal would allow him to hit free agency again in 2016. All I'm suggesting is that the trade I suggested isn't outrageous, and doesn't put us in a huge bind in 2016 free agency.
Morey won't do it. Not for that disgusting contract. $25 million left. That's too much of a risk for a violent alcoholic
It's doesn't really tell the whole story to say "$25 million left". For one, his $12 million this year doesn't matter to the Rockets since we are operating over the cap. We aren't trying to clear cap space at this point, so as long as we are under the apron enough to keep some flexibility, it's ok. That's leaves us with a 1 year contract at $13 million. Hardly "untradeable".
Lawson is labeled now as "untradeable" more cause there is little market for him than because of having multiple DUI's. More than likely his license will be suspended now for some time I'm assuming., and he's probably going to have to go through a rehab program. At least that's in line with what people I know of have had to do after two DUI's. That and 20 to 40K in Lawyer fees. I don't really see how a GM really is too scared of this. The publicity wont be great at first, but DUI's at this stage get to a point where you aren't going to see too many more unless he wants to drive illegally, and risk jail which he wont unless he's an idiot. So.... regarding the market for him.... Other than the Rockets and their fan fiction, name another two or three teams that have a need to pursue Lawson to upgrade their PG position? -Maybe Sacramento before they put their eggs in the Rondo basket I guess. -Some in the media have suggested 76er's.... can't see Hinkie having any interest unless he's paid picks to take him. -Charlotte??- Could he play next to Walker? -Knicks??... do they have an avenue for trading for him? -Chicago?... do they start to doubt Rose can make it a full season and get expensive insurance? - Pacers?... is a George Hill for Lawson swap smart now with Monta on the roster? -Bucks - Giving up on MCW already? -Mavs - DWill & Lawson backcourt.... LOL.... not sure about that -Pelicans - Swap Holiday for Lawson.... does that solve anyone's problems? -Utah - Would Lawson be good for a young up and coming team? -Lakers - Crazy enough to do it, but don't have an avenue for trading for him And the Rockets - Who for whatever reason have resisted the temptation for some time just like they did with Rondo and other PG's before. Few teams make as much sense as the Rockets, but they don't seem interested which isn't really great news for the Lawson to Rox fans. Its probably less to do with the DUI's and more to do with the Basketball. I don't see it guys. I think you are probably more likely to see a desperate team like the Mavs try and pair him with another PG, or put him in a 3 guard rotation. Like I've said before, if the Rockets wanted him that bad, he'd probably already be a Rocket.
Sorry, that's not how this league works. When is the last time a player was sold into cap space for nothing???? Teams that don't sign free agents, that hold their cap space to trade for bad contracts do that to pick up draft pick assets. It'll cost to move him on a $13 million expiring salary no matter how much he turns around. Not to mention after this coming season the point guard trade market is going to be watered down even more with another 2 or 3 good point guards coming into the league and with other point guards continuing to break out. It'll cost to trade him away into another team's cap space. You're making a ton of assumptions: 1. Lawson turns his personal life around 2. He goes to team and outperforms for an entire season 3. He doesn't get hurt. 4. His attitude remains good even though he is traded away from the team he turned it around with. League doesn't work with all those assumptions. His trade value today is nil. He has negative trade value. To trade him Denver will have to send out assets with him and take back similar money or perhaps even more money. He has negative trade value. Any player with negative trade value is massively overpaid. Oh sure it's manageable. Anything is manageable. Deron Williams' deal was manageable. Manageable is not championship quality. We're trying to win a championship. To win a championship you have to have multiple guys that are playing OVER the value of their contracts....not guys that are overpaid. We're not interested in manageable. We're interested in players that give more value on-court and in trade than they take up of the salary cap. Thus, the situation should be "managed" with a buyout and a low-salary signing or at worst Lawson agrees to modify his contract to make the last season non-guaranteed before we trade for him .....IF we are even interested in him.
[Wojnarowski] Few teams had Ty Lawson trade interest, but were waiting on Denver to lower cost. His value's cratered now. He needs to deal w/ his issues
Let me just say that I am amazing. So far I was correct about Llull and Scola not joining, something else, also I said all along Lawson is horrible human being and he's fit in Houston perfectly.
It just happened. Roy Hibbert. It takes the right team, but with the cap jumping to $90 million, there will be a lot of "right teams". There are risks in any move, but there is also upside. The "upside" of trading for Ty Lawson is he becomes our spark plug and a legit option when Harden needs to sit. He could be the final piece this team needs.....could. I have my reservations like you, but I don't think this is Larry Sanders v2.0. He's the wrong player on the wrong team right now and needs a change of scenery. The Rockets have been willing to take risks before, and perhaps at the right cost, they would. We know Harden hung out with him this summer, which was surprising given what Lawson said about Harden's defense. I think there's something there. If we can get Lawson for zero rotation players and very few of our young guys, I think it could be worth it.
Good catch. Now....compare Lawson and Hibbert. Hibbert has zero off-court history. Zilch. His on-court play may be up and down somewhat. And he's not a great offensive player. But he's a big 5 on an expiring deal and one season removed from being on the All-defensive team at a position where there is a dearth of great defenders and at a position where great defense is imperative for a team to have success. I made my points about Lawson. You don't trade for Lawson and assume he's gonna turn it around and you'll be able to give him away a year from now if you need to.
Drinking issues aside there is another reason why I don't want Lawson . Assuming he asked his team to trade him he lacks all patience . Doing stuff like skipping his camp and getting arrested is Lawson directly undermining his teams authority. This dude can't be a team player and is a cancer I don't want on the rockets.
I hate to be negative, but you are about the most BI-POLAR poster on this board. You can have some really good posts sometimes, but then on the other hand, so many of your posts are just plain throw-up worthy because you think you know so much; and many times your "opinions" that are passed off as facts are just plain ridiculous. /rant Oh, no matter what anyone says on here, we SHOULD get Ty imho. Especially if now the trading price is especially cheap.
